WIP Workshop

[Aafyre]

Hehe sorry, Snoopy's already doing it, I think. The whole reason I even made him is cuz Snoopy sent me a DK skeleton with 4 arms that he says he should be able to get to work.

[Snoopy]

yep, he's on DK, and has a functioning set of extra arms.  fortunately DK had a lot of extra bones around, but not enough to give the extra arms more than a finger and a thumb bone.  and yes, i'll be rigging him.  i've been wanting to make a good Machamp, just haven't yet.

[Velen]

yep, he's on DK, and has a functioning set of extra arms.  fortunately DK had a lot of extra bones around, but not enough to give the extra arms more than a finger and a thumb bone.  and yes, i'll be rigging him.  i've been wanting to make a good Machamp, just haven't yet.

-or you could be like Pervy and try adding bones in 3DSMax.

[Snoopy]

it's not that i can't add bones, it's that if i do, it'll throw off the ThrowN bone, which will then cause more issues, like the inability to be thrown without freezing the game.

[Velen]

it's not that i can't add bones, it's that if i do, it'll throw off the ThrowN bone, which will then cause more issues, like the inability to be thrown without freezing the game.

-add them in under the ThrowN Bone, so it's index doesn't change?

[Pervyman Trigger]

Hes right vel, o-o There's a difference between a new bone structure and bone edits. Hes goin for a compatible right off the bat kinda thing

-add them in under the ThrowN Bone, so it's index doesn't change?

dosnt work like that >.>

[Snoopy]

then the parent bone would be the ThrowN, and the extra arms may look a bit funny coming out from below his feet.  they'd have to be added so that the BustN is the parent, that way they come out from the torso.

[Velen]

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This is part of the reason why I never really wanted to get into Importing myself...

[Iwvi]

then the parent bone would be the ThrowN, and the extra arms may look a bit funny coming out from below his feet.  they'd have to be added so that the BustN is the parent, that way they come out from the torso.

Just one question snoops. If you have them come from the torso, then do they have their own shoulderN? cause if they don't then it will look weird if the other set of arms goes back and clips into the second one. Maybe  you can either have the arms on the back  follow Shoulder N and the others be attached to the bustN, or have both arms follow the same Shoulder N bone (I think this is the best way). Then It'll look good. But in case of someone animating it, maybe you want two sets of shoulder N? I think it is a waste of bones though. So how did you do it? I'm curious

[BlueBrain]

yeah, i'd go for having the shoulderN bones as common parents, and have only shoulderJ, armJ, handN, and a finger or 2 (depending on how many u can get)

and vel, importing is a lot easier than what snoopy is doing, an import takes me less than an hour to complete, so it cant be that hard, can it?

it's just that messing with bones is a kinda hard thing, cuz brawl works based on the bones, not the character itself, so if u chnge bones from place u'll inevitably mess up something, even if it's a small thing, look at the hat-less toon link vertexes, the pig of his win animation is all screwed up, as well as his final smash

[Boygos]

How you all do these bone editts? Boygoss mayyyy never know!

Have some Riolu!

[DJ Lowgey]

I dont know how to add bones too
nice preview aafyre and cute preview boygos <3

[Iwvi]

I dont know how to add bones too
nice preview aafyre and cute preview boygos <3

You can add them either in max or brawlbox. However you usually don't add bones, since this will almost inevitably screw the index of ThrowN (the last bone and important for grabs). Usually you just edit the already existing bone three and avoid messing indexes as much as possible. For example, I ported ZSS onto samus the main problem was the shoulders, so I used the pad bones, renamed them ( so animtions don't affect them, you "null" them), made them parents of the shoulderN bones and  used them to move the shoulderN bones closer together.

[Snoopy]

i personally do all my bone editing in BrawlBox before i even start rigging, less hassle, and then i only have to do the rig once. 

Just one question snoops. If you have them come from the torso, then do they have their own shoulderN? cause if they don't then it will look weird if the other set of arms goes back and clips into the second one. Maybe  you can either have the arms on the back  follow Shoulder N and the others be attached to the bustN, or have both arms follow the same Shoulder N bone (I think this is the best way). Then It'll look good. But in case of someone animating it, maybe you want two sets of shoulder N? I think it is a waste of bones though. So how did you do it? I'm curious

it was a bit of a simplification that i said they only came out of the BustN.  this is the structure i made for Machamp.

i gave him ShoulderNb type bones that are positioned to be above the first set, then the rest of the extra arm bones will be named the same as the first set, that way the second set will have full motion as well.

importing is a lot easier than what snoopy is doing, an import takes me less than an hour to complete, so it cant be that hard, can it?

and basically this.  bone edits usually aren't necessary, and can be complicated, but can be very worth it.  and i tend to over complicate things anyways.

[sonicshuffle42]

Snoops: Can you make a tutorial on how to edit bones and such for extra arms without messing up the trans N ? Because I have a Skyward Sword Character that I'm dying to import who has four arms.