Board Problems, Suggestions and Updates

stickman · July 29, 2011, 03:44:10 AM

And this is why I never dove into the moderation of the off-topic boards. The first time I ever posted in the Family thread, I saw fighting and arguing and spamming, and that was just how it worked. It wasn't for me, so I left it at that. I did notice that a large amount of the warnings issued did come from that thread, but the thing to remember is that moderation is up to the admin/mod's discretion and the warning level accompanies the judgement. If I recall correctly, the warnings issued during the Kitty-Leaks incident were revoked. And as for the time that goes by, I did notice that sometimes a warning did go a little longer than 2 weeks, but that was a system bug, not an admin hate crime.

As for locking threads and deleting content, we are entitled to do what it takes to protect other users from malicious content. Usually, locking a thread is a last resort, but in extreme situations where nothing is getting accomplished and we need more time to think about answers and not rile the mob any more than it is already, then yes, a lock will happen (like your example of me up there). I know of another time where users were deleting posts in the family thread to get on the 5000th page or something like that. The thread was locked to keep people from doing anything more stupid than what was going on. But I cannot stress enough that these situations are all in the discretion of the moderator or admin who sees it. We all have different styles and may get offended more easily than others, but we all have the same guidelines, which are the rules that you can read in the link in the header bar.

As for self-censoring, just don't do it. It's that easy. The forum, from what I understand, has an option to either let you see the foul word or censor it. I'm pretty sure the staff was working on a better system of censorship, but I don't have all the details about it.

For warning timing, I do have to agree with you, cx_asuka. I know it has been discussed to the mods in the past, but clearly this was just a slip up. The general rule of thumb is to give a warning, then let the user calm down first. Obviously, a person is going to be angry about a warning, so adding a warning on top of that does not make sense nor is it fair to do in such a short time period. I know that even I have slipped up like that, but I corrected the situation by lowering the moderation warning, and issuing an apology (which looking back, I've probably apologized for too much, but hey, nobody wants to tear me limb from limb... yet).

I know I didn't quite touch everything you addressed, but I hope this can help you and the staff a little bit.

Quote from: LordNOaH on July 28, 2011, 11:43:43 PM
inb4 staff, rather than try hopelessly to defend yourselves with rehashed and overall bad excuses that we've seen before, or try to disregard it because "He's from VIP chat" or some other detrimental statement, it'd probably be a good idea to take these examples into consideration when rewriting the rules.

:>.>palm: Do you HAVE to trash the mods every chance you get? A simple, "I agree with that guy" or "he brings up some good points" could suffice. You don't give the moderation team the respect or credit they deserve. They bust their asses to make sure that the forum stays a likable place and all you do is try to show how evil they are, and what monsters they are, and how things should be run differently. What ever happened to "give respect, get respect"? If you don't like the way things are run, nobody is forcing you to stay. I've seen too much of what they do to let you keep getting cheap shots at them all the time. We all make mistakes. It happens. A lot of mistakes were made in a short time period, admittedly, but it happens. Now, I would prefer if you pay a little more respect to the moderation team, because that can be interpreted as flaming, trolling, AND disruptive behavior. We aren't idiots here. We know how to run things with technicalities if we have a user who runs on them too...
(This rant was directed at LordNOah. cx_asuka, I liked your approach better. At least it was polite)

??_? · July 29, 2011, 04:13:43 AM

Quote from: stickman on July 29, 2011, 03:44:10 AM
:>.>palm: Do you HAVE to trash the mods every chance you get? A simple, "I agree with that guy" or "he brings up some good points" could suffice. You don't give the moderation team the respect or credit they deserve. They bust their asses to make sure that the forum stays a likable place and all you do is try to show how evil they are, and what monsters they are, and how things should be run differently. What ever happened to "give respect, get respect"? If you don't like the way things are run, nobody is forcing you to stay. I've seen too much of what they do to let you keep getting cheap shots at them all the time. We all make mistakes. It happens. A lot of mistakes were made in a short time period, admittedly, but it happens. Now, I would prefer if you pay a little more respect to the moderation team, because that can be interpreted as flaming, trolling, AND disruptive behavior. We aren't idiots here. We know how to run things with technicalities if we have a user who runs on them too...
(This rant was directed at LordNOah. cx_asuka, I liked your approach better. At least it was polite)

I'm the one who takes shots at them? Ever since I first brought something up, I've been disreguarded as "trolling" and not taken seriously. I actually have an excuse to be pissed off because it seems like every chance that presents its self to the staff they use against me, including one little banning incident that we all know wasn't an accident. In fact, I'm pretty sure not much of anything I bring up can qualify as mistakes.

Do you remember this?
or maybe the polite response?
I have tried to be polite in the past, it really hasn't worked.

Lately, whenever I post anything its met with the same tone of "oh, you again. How can we get rid of you this time." Replies such as this, this, this, and not to mention this little incident 2 days ago (probably contains swears, click at own risk) completely justify my attitude. Yeah, perhaps when you respect your members a little more I'll give you credit. I'm really sorry for telling you when I think something is wrong.

Edit : My Bad. Fixed.

stickman · July 29, 2011, 05:49:49 AM

I do remember those. And since I remember those, I can assure you that the situation was under control UNTIL you had to expose everything wrong with the forums, which led to the situation afterwards. The day started out as just a reminder to (the person who started the poll) to keep forum matters in the admin section before going public with it. It could have been left at that, and we could have avoided what had to be the most torturous administrating I have ever done. Before that incident, I only knew you as the guy on the irc. You didn't stick out as a troll, flamer, or disruptive person before this point. And you know how strongly you came on in that original post. You KNOW. That is why you asked permission for the second thread which I unfortunately approved, thinking that you would stay true to your word and keep the thread from getting out of hand, where I had to lock it again. So yes, after that, you were known as the guy who led a (successful) attack on the moderation team. Call it a troll, flamer, what-have-you, but you were considered dangerous.

I don't see at any point where there was a "polite" tone to your words. Everything I encountered was condescending and attacking. The issue at hand originally was post count. I don't even know what to call what the situation has blown up into. And yeah, I know Oizen's response was more than childish, and he was punished for that after it happened. You threw the first blows in this fight (What's what), and we had nothing to do but defend our sorry hides. When the staff sees respect towards them, they will show it back. There's a way to address problems, and you just happened to do it the wrong way back then. And yeah, we avoid talking about it again because it will only stir up more of a mess like we had before. We'd prefer not to clean up a mess like that again.

And I say "we" in these posts, but I mean the team, excluding me. I can't do anything except stand up for the people who I know are working intensely behind the scenes to keep crap from hitting a large fan.

Oizen · July 29, 2011, 07:27:29 AM

You know, after your little demonstration of corruption in the IRC that you jacked, as dead as it may be, really hurts your credibility when it comes to any time of moderation suggestion, not that you had much to begin with.

I don't see why we should take advice,complaints and slander from the guy who basic ideal of moderation is "I don't care, as long as this place is active"

another thing, you seem very....dissatisfied with the way things are run around here. Why don't you just go? We're not forcing you to visit this place, if you want a new forum for brawl hacking, you could try out the new LST forum, or just go to Smash Boards. Theres no reason for you to stay in a place you've hated on so much.

What exactly are you trying to accomplish anyway?

Miacis · July 29, 2011, 10:28:25 AM

Okay ... let's go with Asuka's questions before moving to the more disorganized stuff.

1) Kitty Leaks