Let the Swap Begin! (under constructions!)

[ASF1nk]

Pikazz are you taking into account the resource memory restrictions?

Each Player (p1,p2,p3,p4) has 2 reserved memory resources (besides KirbyCopy stuff) to load the stuff the characters they chose needs.

FighterResource1 and FighterResource2
FighterResource1 has a limit of 5.33MB
FighterResource2 has a limit of 0.53MB
FighterResource1 takes into account the FitCharMotionEtc.pac and the FitCharXX.pac
FighterResource2 ONLY Takes into Account the FitChar.pac (PSA)

With FighterResource1 you probably won't run into much trouble, because the game only loads the FitCharXX.pac and FitCharMotionEtc.pac at the CSS of ONLY the first selected character. If it has a second character it will load the FitCharXX and FitCharMotion on the fly while transforming in battle. At least that's what happens with Zelda/ Sheik and Samus/Zss.

Now FighterResource2 has a very small allocated memory of .53MB and will give you trouble. Whenever you chose a transforming character at the CSS it will load both their FitChar.pacs; this is the reason why transforming character have a very small file size limit on their FitChar.pacs. What happens when you go pass the limit? Instant freeze after selecting the character.

Puff + Marth:
Puff ~ 0.235MB
Marth ~ 0.268MB
0.235 + 0.268 = 0.503MB

MK + Pit:
MK ~ 0.463MB
Pit ~ 0.397MB
0.463 + 0.397 = 0.86MB

So yeah, the limit on FR2 will stop you from pairing many of the characters together.

Maybe now that online is going down, we can use the 1.40MB memory reserved for network for other stuff.

[pikazz]

huge post

Pikazz are you taking into account the resource memory restrictions?

Each Player (p1,p2,p3,p4) has 2 reserved memory resources (besides KirbyCopy stuff) to load the stuff the characters they chose needs.

FighterResource1 and FighterResource2
FighterResource1 has a limit of 5.33MB
FighterResource2 has a limit of 0.53MB
FighterResource1 takes into account the FitCharMotionEtc.pac and the FitCharXX.pac
FighterResource2 ONLY Takes into Account the FitChar.pac (PSA)

With FighterResource1 you probably won't run into much trouble, because the game only loads the FitCharXX.pac and FitCharMotionEtc.pac at the CSS of ONLY the first selected character. If it has a second character it will load the FitCharXX and FitCharMotion on the fly while transforming in battle. At least that's what happens with Zelda/ Sheik and Samus/Zss.

Now FighterResource2 has a very small allocated memory of .53MB and will give you trouble. Whenever you chose a transforming character at the CSS it will load both their FitChar.pacs; this is the reason why transforming character have a very small file size limit on their FitChar.pacs. What happens when you go pass the limit? Instant freeze after selecting the character.

Puff + Marth:
Puff ~ 0.235MB
Marth ~ 0.268MB
0.235 + 0.268 = 0.503MB

MK + Pit:
MK ~ 0.463MB
Pit ~ 0.397MB
0.463 + 0.397 = 0.86MB

So yeah, the limit on FR2 will stop you from pairing many of the characters together.

Maybe now that online is going down, we can use the 1.40MB memory reserved for network for other stuff.

I never thought of that way, thought it would only be the module memory!
but now I know that FitChar.pac is the biggest problem, the project is now more on ice now D: maybe the whole project is in vain until we can get some more memory!

can 2 clone characters swap, sharing the same rel?
i mean, Ganondorf-Taboo, but both using 1 single rel (ft_ganon.rel for example)

no, each characher needs his own module, so Ganondorf need his and tabuu need his module (example ft_ganon and ft_tabuu)

[ASF1nk]

Hello pikazz can you please test this code for me?
Use the MK + Pit combo.

Fighter1Resource2 Expansion [ASF1nk]
04421B54 000EBC00

The code expands the FR2 for Player 1 only, from 0.53MB to 0.92MB



Keep in mind this is just a test code, and if it works we would need to distribute the available free memory between all players.

[Sammi Husky]

Hello pikazz can you please test this code for me?
Use the MK + Pit combo.

Fighter1Resource2 Expansion [ASF1nk]
04421B54 00EBC00

The code expands the FR2 for Player 1 only, from 0.53MB to 0.92MB



Keep in mind this is just a test code, and if it works we would need to distribute the available free memory between all players.

This is great. I was trying to Write a code for this as well, but i had no idea what memory address dictated the allocated Memory. How did you happen to get that Location?

[pikazz]

Hello pikazz can you please test this code for me?
Use the MK + Pit combo.

Fighter1Resource2 Expansion [ASF1nk]
04421B54 00EBC00

The code expands the FR2 for Player 1 only, from 0.53MB to 0.92MB



Keep in mind this is just a test code, and if it works we would need to distribute the available free memory between all players.

the code works great on normal play (doesnt work on training). can be selected now and continue to SSS
but now it comes that bug I hate, they get a silent freeze after selecting a stage! dont know exactly whats causing this if its lack of Module Memory or something else!

[Mariohuge]

Well, it's definitely a module thing, though I'm not sure what...
can this somehow work with plug-and-play rels, if you edited them the same way? Maybe it's brawlex itself that's not letting it load.

[pikazz]

Well, it's definitely a module thing, though I'm not sure what...
can this somehow work with plug-and-play rels, if you edited them the same way? Maybe it's brawlex itself that's not letting it load.

nah, it works only with brawlex for now cause we can much easier edit the "slot", its that thing that makes it possible for Terminate Instance to work

might be something I did screw up, I will try to redo both Metaknight and Pits module again

[Dantarion]

ASF1nk, you are on the right track! However, theres more!

What is REALLY becoming the problem is the INSTANCE memory section I think.

That is why the game freezes after the stage finishes loading, it can't find enough room in memory to create the second character instance.

This is why when I messed with the IC's loading routine, it worked on DK, Marth, Jiggs, but NOT most other characters....

[pikazz]

ASF1nk, you are on the right track! However, theres more!

What is REALLY becoming the problem is the INSTANCE memory section I think.

That is why the game freezes after the stage finishes loading, it can't find enough room in memory to create the second character instance.

This is why when I messed with the IC's loading routine, it worked on DK, Marth, Jiggs, but NOT most other characters....

maybe need to learn more of the Wii's Hardware and limits

but that must explains it! but thats totally sad cause it does sounds hard to find it and increase its memory!
so 3 memories needs to be in mind!
Fighter Memory, Module Memory and Instance Memory!

now the project is more on ice ;-; maybe even closed

but I am still curious, what did you use with the IC loading instance?

[Riddler]

The project doesn't need to be totally dead. If it works for Marth, Jiggs, and DK, I'm sure we can find a bunch of pairings that fit. It's better than nothing.

[KingJigglypuff]

Could we try allocating the memory of the Wifi related stuff and put the memory into the modules? With the servers going down on May 20th, it would be cool to make the most of all that memory.

[pikazz]

The project doesn't need to be totally dead. If it works for Marth, Jiggs, and DK, I'm sure we can find a bunch of pairings that fit. It's better than nothing.

it also works with Ganon, will try Captain once the Final Smash work!

Metaknight is a "so-so" atm, works with itself but will test it with others too

KingEvilPuff: might work, but might be a problem with that instance memory :/

[Sammi Husky]

Again, I would work on allocating memory as well to help towards this, but I need to find out how the game dictates its memory management (hence why I asked how ASF got that mem address)

[Tyshy]

can this be used without using the clone engine

[KingJigglypuff]

can this be used without using the clone engine

No.