Mariodk Projects: First WIP released: Goku v2 its on page 703 post #10544

[Triforce Zelda (Deceased)]

Damn you didn't hold back! You got right down to the point.

[DoctorFlux(Mariodk)]

Sdo0m you know i was mainly thinking to make goku to fit in brawl
not DBZ game (most of my ideas was from  SSBF2 and SSBC ) and some of my own(like down-B) so we dont got a Clone from a fan made SSB game to brawl
and i think i got Side-Smash idea
it will be like Mario´s in SSB64 but more Goku-ish just a big punch (if not Sonic´s with other start/hold Animations but just the attack will be like Sonic´s)
Side-B Ground i am already working on to be more better
side-B air i think will stay (maybe with Animations edits)
walking will be floating
Revamps of N-B to so you can´t spam it so much and the wave fade out at the end of Animation
and smaller kamehameha wave (i think it is too big it should be as big as goku´s two hands not as big as goku)
new Wins (as soon more ideas i think that with Goku slowing AAA combo was a good idea but needing the .Chr0 merge thing for brawlbox for that)
also revamp up-B to be abit slower and for ground cancel i forgot to add something so it is not like as it is now :
FS i think i remove that Slow time on the small spirit Bomb but you can only hit one at a time thats why i did becoz if i dont it was easy(really easy to avoid it)
Down/Side Tilts i think they will stay as Cp. falcon they fit good for Goku too but up-tilt needed to be edited abit for Animations and then i saw a image you posted here and it looked 100% like Lucario´s  
new up/down Throw and revamp Mario´s throw/Catch animation ports
 
thats what i know for next version and last for Goku and ofc revamps of Animations and see i can make some of them better

btw Down-B was abit idea from here: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Meteor_Combination (the wave downwards) and side-B Ground i will make to Meteor_Combination(lets see what filesize say to this for Side-B first)

[SiLeNtDo0m]

My point was, however, it's not impossible to achieve both.  It's possible to make it fit into SSB, whilst still having it hold true to the spirit of Dragonball.  I've found that this project has been so concerned with making him fit into Smash, that it has ended up feeling a bit bland and boring and Goku is anything but bland.  I'm not trying to undermine your work by any means, since I know for a fact that you are a very competent PSA maker.  I just feel that there's quite a bit of untapped potential here.

Maybe you should take a look at Project M Lucario and focus on the ideas behind that.  I think that it would help Goku feel more like a unique character

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bxRCPbk_E4" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bxRCPbk_E4</a>

[DoctorFlux(Mariodk)]

ok maybe Goku v1 will not be last version after all
i make what i said in last post before Sdo0m and in Goku V2 i make him abit like as that Lucario and maybe even more revamps (i sure needing abit help with that )
i will say i got better at Animations since then i started with Goku
just look at Goku´s side-Smash and Animations in SMBZ mario  last version

i will do the same with Gotenks ofc
and btw WTF you maybe get Kid buu back
i like Kid buu and the vertex but almost never in mood on starting on him
maybe i am after Gotenks since he needs to be done he is not like normal DBZ char. (if you think for moveset) he dont use big blue/Pink balls as finisher attacks but Ghosts or make ppl to a yellow small ball and play with them so Gotenks is one who can be good done in Brawl i not saying it becoz he is my fav. char. but Vegeta is just Blasts attacks (mainly)thats why i only want to done "B" attacks

[Triforce Zelda (Deceased)]

You make Goku like M Lucario and you have an overpowered combo machine. Just change Goku's attacks for now.

[DoctorFlux(Mariodk)]

You make Goku like M Lucario and you have an overpowered combo machine. Just change Goku's attacks for now.

you is half right
i will make him a Combo machine but not overpowered
it as to be as balanced as possible goku can be (if i have to say it i did a good job on that right now )
Goku in SSB has to be one good at Combos but still not too much overpowered

[Triforce Zelda (Deceased)]

Yeah but maybe not all attacks as hyper combos because constantly attacking at such a velocity for such a long time can get really dull. You should put in comboing, but not too much.

[SiLeNtDo0m]

You make Goku like M Lucario and you have an overpowered combo machine. Just change Goku's attacks for now.

Incorrect.  Completely incorrect.

These guys who work in Project M are the best of the best.  They're honestly better and more experienced at making PSAs and Brawl hacking in general than anyone on this forum.  If there's one thing they know how to do well, it's to create a balanced character.  In fact, these OHC combos are sparingly for Lucario.  Look at some of the player matches with him.  This is due to the certain restrictions that this system has.

Firstly, they can only be initiated if Lucario connects his attack. 

Secondly, only certain moves can be linked into others:

- Jabs and dash attack link to tilts, smashes or specials
- Tilts link to smashes or specials
- Smashes to specials
- Aerials link to specials
- Specials link with nothing

So there is a certain order that they need to be done in

[Triforce Zelda (Deceased)]

I'm talking about against non Project M characters! Off course against anyone that's also Project M Lucario will be balanced!

[SiLeNtDo0m]

I'm talking about against non Project M characters! Off course against anyone that's also Project M Lucario will be balanced!

But the levels of balance are the same.  This is why most PSAs work decently in Project M anyways.  Most codesets are balanced with the vBrawl cast.  The only exception obviously is Brawl Minus.  The main things that may cause imbalances would be stuff like the air dodge/wavedash and the other tech skill things that are involved in Project M and Melee, which have nothing to do with what I'm saying.

Infact, if anything, this combo system will be MORE balanced for vBrawl because of its lower hitstun and the fact that DIing is easier.

[Triforce Zelda (Deceased)]

hmmm... this all seems very complex. I never bothered to look into anything other than standard Brawl.

[DoctorFlux(Mariodk)]

ok i need to check abit more out in P:M
becoz that Lucario i can for sure use for Goku and Gotenks
and for ppl who want to Finish Vegeta too(wolfegeta until vertex come i call that moveset for that)
wolfegeta moveset last update by me will just get all his "B" attacks revamped and rapid ki blasts on Side-B

[Triforce Zelda (Deceased)]

You put in Galick Gun right? and Final Flash?

[DoctorFlux(Mariodk)]

You put in Galick Gun right? and Final Flash?

they are already at same time as Big bang

Galick Gun N-B
Final Flash FS Air
Big bang FS ground

[Carnage]

ok i need to check abit more out in P:M
becoz that Lucario i can for sure use for Goku and Gotenks
and for ppl who want to Finish Vegeta too(wolfegeta until vertex come i call that moveset for that)
wolfegeta moveset last update by me will just get all his "B" attacks revamped and rapid ki blasts on Side-B

well b attacks are better than nothing and side B should be good since what bothered me was the wolf blaster as side B lol