Brawlbox Resources & History

[BlackJax96]

@carnage:
primitives are the basics in geometrical model rendering:
1 - Points
2 - Lines
3 - Line-Strips
4 - Triangles
5 - Triangle-Strips
6 - Triangle-Fans
7 - Quads
8 - Quad-Strips (not commonly used (somewhat glitchy with materials))
I have an image on my Picasa, but I'm not typing in the link

[Carnage]

you know I'd help if I could BJ
I can't though -.-*

@carnage:
primitives are the basics in geometrical model rendering:
1 - Points
2 - Lines
3 - Line-Strips
4 - Triangles
5 - Triangle-Strips
6 - Triangle-Fans
7 - Quads
8 - Quad-Strips (not commonly used (somewhat glitchy with materials))
I have an image on my Picasa, but I'm not typing in the link

EDIT:
I have an old Emutalk thread telling about me learning the basics
(google search: 'Melee Archive Viewer')

i see lol but i never actually worked with 3d models at all the code i did was like use inserted values on the program i would save them on a database and when the device was on it checked  the temperature of the room with the one in database and if it was lower  the system would start to work until it was =or bigger than the one in the database even with this picture i dont have a clue to what they do, how to readthem or even where to find them :S

[DSX8]

..........
HOW THE HELL CAN U EVEN READ THAT! DX

but im guessing the V1-V11 is for like the model formats? i kno im like completely wrong on that theory

[frostymm]

I'll help once I've done a few more of my classes. Only got passed the first one so far =/ Becoming a video game programmer takes time.

[BlackJax96]

..........
HOW THE HELL CAN U EVEN READ THAT! DX

but im guessing the V1-V11 is for like the model formats? i kno im like completely wrong on that theory

Yeah, you're completely wrong. XD
v0 is vertex 0, v1 is vertex 1, etc
(Programmers usually start counting at 0 instead of 1)

I'll help once I've done a few more of my classes. Only got passed the first one so far =/ Becoming a video game programmer takes time.

Coolio
I hope that's soon.

[Infernape]

I will like to know what you are talking about but a can't lol
also how is going everything

[DarkPikachu]

@frostymm: indeed it does my friend
I've had to throw away my old method of development because of Nurbs

@carnage:
well, for the very basics,
a model is defined using points in a 3D vector space (verts)
the mesh is created using faces or primitives...

here's an obj of a cube:
v 0.5 0.5 0.5 #a vert
v 0.5 0.5 -0.5
v 0.5 -0.5 0.5
v 0.5 -0.5 -0.5
v -0.5 0.5 0.5
v -0.5 0.5 -0.5
v -0.5 -0.5 0.5
v -0.5 -0.5 -0.5

f 1 2 4 3 #quad
f 3 4 8 7
f 7 8 6 5
f 5 6 2 1
f 1 3 7 5
f 2 4 6 #triangle
f 4 6 8

we should now have a centered 1x1x1 cube with 5 quads and 2 triangles.
you may paste the code into an obj and import it into 3DS to test it out

O.o
I think that's actually my first model I've been able to perfect with faces while only using a piece of papar
(I didn't use my compy this time )

[pikazz]

@frostymm: indeed it does my friend
I've had to throw away my old method of development because of Nurbs

@carnage:
well, for the very basics,
a model is defined using points in a 3D vector space (verts)
the mesh is created using faces or primitives...

here's an obj of a cube:
v 0.5 0.5 0.5 #a vert
v 0.5 0.5 -0.5
v 0.5 -0.5 0.5
v 0.5 -0.5 -0.5
v -0.5 0.5 0.5
v -0.5 0.5 -0.5
v -0.5 -0.5 0.5
v -0.5 -0.5 -0.5

f 1 2 4 3 #quad
f 3 4 8 7
f 7 8 6 5
f 5 6 2 1
f 1 3 7 5
f 2 4 6 #triangle
f 4 6 8

we should now have a centered 1x1x1 cube with 5 quads and 2 triangles.
you may paste the code into an obj and import it into 3DS to test it out

O.o
I think that's actually my first model I've been able to perfect with faces while only using a piece of papar
(I didn't use my compy this time )

seems pretty easy :3

[Sky Grounder]

@frostymm: indeed it does my friend
I've had to throw away my old method of development because of Nurbs

@carnage:
well, for the very basics,
a model is defined using points in a 3D vector space (verts)
the mesh is created using faces or primitives...

here's an obj of a cube:
v 0.5 0.5 0.5 #a vert
v 0.5 0.5 -0.5
v 0.5 -0.5 0.5
v 0.5 -0.5 -0.5
v -0.5 0.5 0.5
v -0.5 0.5 -0.5
v -0.5 -0.5 0.5
v -0.5 -0.5 -0.5

f 1 2 4 3 #quad
f 3 4 8 7
f 7 8 6 5
f 5 6 2 1
f 1 3 7 5
f 2 4 6 #triangle
f 4 6 8

we should now have a centered 1x1x1 cube with 5 quads and 2 triangles.
you may paste the code into an obj and import it into 3DS to test it out

O.o
I think that's actually my first model I've been able to perfect with faces while only using a piece of papar
(I didn't use my compy this time )

I think I actually understood that
Also seeing that one side of the cube uses two triangles, I guess you also could replace it with a quad?

[DarkPikachu]

I think I actually understood that
Also seeing that one side of the cube uses two triangles, I guess you also could replace it with a quad?

exactly
I only used the 2 triangles to demonstrate just how loose the 3D system is.

sadly though, strips and fans aren't possible in obj files...
however, multi-sided polygons are possible,
they're just glitchy like quadstrips

the problem is the vert order:

1 4
| |
2-3

vs

1 3
|/|
2 4

the first example renders perfectly while the second example has been known to have normal and material errors.

[Mewtwo2000]

I have some issue with the model importer and I would like to request something:

As far as I know, the importer automatically uses the most efficient format for every value in the model, or at least most of them. This includes the UV points, which, in some case, in some model, differs from the original in a visible way.

I have my own way to avoid this, that is changing one of the UV coordinates in each UV set to a big number, so I force the importer to use float values. Then, with my UV tool I restore the changed coordinate back to normal, and everything is okay.

So, instead of asking for a workaround to see why some coordinates are wrong when written in some formats, I would ask that, if possible, we could get some 'global options' menu for brawlbox, so we can select if the model importer tries to use the most efficient format for UVs, vertices, etc, or force them to be in some specific format. I would use this to always force UVs to be float so I can edit them with my tool, and be sure that they're imported correctly.

[BlackJax96]

I have some issue with the model importer and I would like to request something:

As far as I know, the importer automatically uses the most efficient format for every value in the model, or at least most of them. This includes the UV points, which, in some case, in some model, differs from the original in a visible way.

I have my own way to avoid this, that is changing one of the UV coordinates in each UV set to a big number, so I force the importer to use float values. Then, with my UV tool I restore the changed coordinate back to normal, and everything is okay.

So, instead of asking for a workaround to see why some coordinates are wrong when written in some formats, I would ask that, if possible, we could get some 'global options' menu for brawlbox, so we can select if the model importer tries to use the most efficient format for UVs, vertices, etc, or force them to be in some specific format. I would use this to always force UVs to be float so I can edit them with my tool, and be sure that they're imported correctly.

I already got you covered.
Just wait for mah boi Santa.

[Xiggah]

I know my models, I know my C#, and I do know my C++, but I know I'm not one of the helpers. Still, I wish the best of luck to you guys.

[DSX8]

I know my models, I know my C#, and I do know my C++, but I know I'm not one of the helpers. Still, I wish the best of luck to you guys.

he did say that any1 can help him u kno xP

[BlackJax96]

I know my models, I know my C#, and I do know my C++, but I know I'm not one of the helpers. Still, I wish the best of luck to you guys.

Wut.
"You guys" would be just me.

he did say that any1 can help him u kno xP

^ This.
If you want to help and you know C#, then why aren't you helping me already?