WIP Workshop

[Iwvi]

Yep that's pretty much how I rigg everything, I think DemonBoy as well was one of the importers who did not use the blend tool and was good at rigging anyway.

[the_randomizer]

yep. i usually use the plus button next to set weight since it goes up by 0.05 each time.

what i do is select all the vertices from the shoulder down to the hand, rig them all to just the shoulder bone, rotate it down a little, then select the top half of the next ring of vertices on the shoulder and rigg it to the arm a reasonable amount and to that to the next set and so on

Okay, I'll give that a shot.

This is what happens (I customized some of Falco's animations, so it's not his normal CatchWait pose)

Do the vertices on the edge (where the shoulder meets the BustN) get blended to BustN?

[nanobuds]

What shoulder bone is rotated in that animation?

[the_randomizer]

What shoulder bone is rotated in that animation?

Shoulder J, and since I can't rig ShoulderN worth crap, I skip it, but I bet anything I just shot myself for doing that. I probably resized/T-posed the model like crap, so....ShoulderN is too far from the shoulderJ bone, so it would look even more effed up.

[rax189]

I just got an awesome idea for a character.

I should draw a texture for a character about 3-4 times, change the character to be flat, and have the textures alternate so I end up with something a little like this

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what character should I try this on first?

It looks like a holograph, maybe for an enterance of someone just poofing in that would be sick :D but try it on game n watch firstl ;) hahaha jk. Samus would look kool :D try her

[nanobuds]

Shoulder J, and since I can't rig ShoulderN worth crap, I skip it, but I bet anything I just shot myself for doing that. I probably resized/T-posed the model like crap, so....ShoulderN is too far from the shoulderJ bone, so it would look even more effed up.

That looks like the ShoulderN is rotated also. Its gonna stretch if not rigged.

Peach has thin shoulders, so thats why you didn't have this problem before.  Falco has broad shoulders, so ShoulderN movements are more noticeable.

Try blending these verts (red dots) with the ShoulderN or the ShoulderJ, your choice.

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[the_randomizer]

That looks like the ShoulderN is rotated also. Its gonna stretch if not rigged.

Peach has thin shoulders, so thats why you didn't have this problem before.  Falco has broad shoulders, so ShoulderN movements are more noticeable.

Try blending these verts (red dots) with the ShoulderN or the ShoulderJ, your choice.

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That would explain why it's so bloody distorted, but I never actually moved the ShoulderN bone in 3DS Max, but like you said, since it wasn't rigged, it's freaking out.  Ugh, that's what I get for skipping it.  :-[

[nanobuds]

Move it in 3ds max, and see what happens.

[the_randomizer]

Move it in 3ds max, and see what happens.

It merely stretches the crap outta it, but I think the vertices are rigged to BustN and were never rigged to ShoulderN...bollocks. I knew I screwed something up.

[Pervyman Trigger]

If it helps any. I rig the shoulderJ first, taking the shoulderN completely out of the equation. then Once i get that to a desirable amount I add the shoulderN into the rig

[StupidMarioFan1]

Yep that's pretty much how I rigg everything, I think DemonBoy as well was one of the importers who did not use the blend tool and was good at rigging anyway.

i also don't use the blend tool, and my rigs are great in my oppion.....not sure about what y'all think about my rigs. Another thing that someone pointed out, not sure who, but the Brawl models also don't have perfect rigs, a lot if characters' shoulders move weird, so I usually don't think about if the movement would be realistic.

[the_randomizer]

i also don't use the blend tool, and my rigs are great in my oppion.....not sure about what y'all think about my rigs. Another thing that someone pointed out, not sure who, but the Brawl models also don't have perfect rigs, a lot if characters' shoulders move weird, so I usually don't think about if the movement would be realistic.

That's the problem, the shoulders I rig never look right at all, and they always poke out in some weird fashion; that's what I'm trying to neutralize.

[Cooldood]

"Muchos Creditos" to Krillin for helping me so much with my project. I can't promise anything, but Gohan will *PROBABLY* be released during the weekend. It could be anytime too...

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Preview doesn't show the fix, will show more later. :P

What's left
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Fix elastic-man arms
Fix the scarf
Fix the hairs
*MAYBE* Fix fingers <--- Too lazy

[StupidMarioFan1]

That's the problem, the shoulders I rig never look right at all, and they always poke out in some weird fashion; that's what I'm trying to neutralize.

Being stubborn about a rig being realistic is one thing, stray vertex errors are another. lol That I can understand....is it where the shoulder connects with the bust that is the prob? Like is the area where the arm Bd shoulder is connected fine?

[the_randomizer]

Being stubborn about a rig being realistic is one thing, stray vertex errors are another. lol That I can understand....is it where the shoulder connects with the bust that is the prob? Like is the area where the arm Bd shoulder is connected fine?

This picture should explain it better than words can do. What the bloody eff is wrong with this. I am so close to asking for outside help, but if I keep doing that with all my hacks, I'll be seen as one who refuses to learn on his own.

(Sanity threshold breached in five...four...three...two....one)



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