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« Reply #3900 on: July 12, 2011, 11:36:43 PM » |
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Late feedback is late...
Anyway, I think I found another flaw with Spidy... His web ball can lock people in a nearly inescapable combo... Although I only tested this on CPU. But it seemed like it could be spammed over and over again...
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« Reply #3901 on: July 12, 2011, 11:57:38 PM » |
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It doesnt work on my gecko does anyone know what might be the problem?
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« Reply #3902 on: July 13, 2011, 02:01:01 AM » |
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[Review]
Note: I tested this in Brawl Minus. So you may or may not want to take my review with a grain of salt. I like Brawl- better because its much faster then vBrawl. Specifically, I tested this against Marth and Captain Falcon. Marth (cpu) I had a hard time beating, but I still won 4/4 matches. C.Facon (friend) I had a VERY hard time beating. (Not because he's good or is using C.Falcon) Mainly because of the speed of Brawl- I couldn't really keep up with C.Falcon's speed. 4/4 loses but every match it was down to 1/1 life. So I could have won... but thats just because I'm better then my friend at Brawl over all. (Stupid insta kill Falcon Punch >_>; ) This is the problem right here. Spidey isn't a Brawl- PSA. At the moment he's designed for vBrawl so of course you're going to have trouble XD It's difficult for me to properly take into account your balance complaints if you're playing with the wrong codeset. It would be like someone taking my Brawl- Burst Sonic and saying it's OPed after hours of testing it in vBrawl or BBrawl or Project M.
Oh and common misconception, Brawl- isn't faster than vBrawl. As a codeset, it's the same speed as vBrawl (I know this for sure because as I said, I play with vBrawl movesets in Brawl-'s codeset). It's not like Brawl+ and Project M where the codeset makes the game feel faster. The reason why Brawl- feels faster is because every character has been manually made faster and the hitstun has been increased.
-Movement- -Attacks-
AAA combo: It loops with the first two A hits a bit to much. Personally, I think swapping the Kick with the Elbow would be nice. Also, a bit more forward movement wouldn't hurt.
FA Tilt: I'm not good with damage mechanics wise, but 10 seems like... a bit much. Also, perhaps more up-knockback instead of down. That way you could perhaps combo it a bit better with other moves.
DA Tilt: Very spammable. If you end up keeping THAT kick, I suggest increasing the knockback maybe. But on the plus side, it combo's well with the D-Smash. If you have a change in mind though, perhaps a slightly more sweeping kick.
UA Tilt: Its the exact same as the up grab. Start up and everything... The hit box is a bit further in the back then the front though. Which doesn't make much sense imo. Maybe making the same hitbox in the front as well, because otherwise its really hard to hit while facing the opponent. I think the move as a whole should be switched to a different move seeing as thats the same as the up grab animation. Maybe (I can't stress this enough) a flip. Acrobatics were Spider-Man's thing... he needs to move more.
Up Smash: You have to be very close to get this off. Its kind of a pain to work with but mechanical wise its sound. Good knockback, good combo potential, good start/end lag. Its just the hitbox thats the problem.
F Smash: A lot of start up lag that makes it hard to hit opponents. Its pretty easy to dodge. Nice range though. The end lag could be shorter though imo.
D Smash: It may be because I'm used to mostly all the other brawl characters having it, but man... the down smash not hitting both sides is mad annoying. Also the end lag could be shorter... I do however like the fact that the AAA combo can link into this and the F Smash.
Up A Air: Looks good. From a battle perspective, it would be nice if the end lag was shorter so that you could use the DAir after it. Mainly because this move doesn't have a lot of knockback. It works with the NAir though... so that may make up for it.
N A Air: Pretty good. No complaints.
D A Air: You weren't kidding when you said its a weak meteor. Aside from the time it takes to come out, its fine.
Neutral B: Good range... but I WISH the end lag was much shorter. You can't combo this with anything... He hits someone with the web ball and he can't move for entirely to long. At a certain range I'd have hoped to be able to run to him and grab or attack him... but nope. Its web ball then end of combo. Now... the web ball at the END of a combo is a different story. Its nice to be able to AAA combo then when they hit the ground, use the web ball to make them have a seizure. (Cause thats what the web ball does xD)
F B: Good movement potential. Is there a way you can make it to where his air momentum doesn't completely stop? Its not very fluid when he just stops like that. Also, is there a way to make his forward or up movement hurt on impact? That would be a nice addition.
F B Air: Same as above. But again, you can totally see and feel when the momentum just... stops. It just doesn't feel very fluid aat the end of the move.
D B: Spidy Sense... I KNOW you said it was going to have bad start and end lag... but my god man. In comparison to Ike, Marth, and Lucario, Spider-Sense is the worse one of the bunch. I like the dodge, but its a move I could only do against a Falcon punch... and thats ONLY if they didn't put it into a combo.
D B Air: Good move all around. I like it. The kick could have a bit more knockback though. Two times use in the air is to much to ask huh?
Up B Air/Ground: The follow up hit is to hard to land. And whats worse, it doesn't spike. At least... it didn't for me. >_> I either went to far up to hit him, or stopped short (enough to hit him) and he didn't get spiked down, just a normal hit. I suggest making it one move. A long spinning upper cut with webs as graphics swirling around him. That would look cool. Overall its a good PSA. I wont be using Sheik any time soon... but I'd love it if it was more acrobatic looking. I never did like the way he moved in MvC because it was fairly robotic. Not true to the real Spider-Man at all. [/Review] Edit: Also, the taunt with the speech bubble didn't work for me. Just a sparkle and a swirl. Edit 2: F A Air: I really don't like how long it takes to come out. It leaves you really open and it looks like it should spike. Either that or it should have more knockback. B A Air: There is not a sweet spot like there was for Sheik... It seems really weak in comparison. Edit 3: Running A: I hate that kick with a burning passion. It just looks bad to me... no offense. There is a lot of end lag, and a its a drawn out move for something so weak. I just dislike using it. Edit 4: Perhaps it would be good if the up b move didn't put him int he fall state. Mainly because i think it would be great if he could use his web moves after it if they hadn't used it yet.
And sorry to come off as whiny, but I think that deserves some credit to me at least. Animating doesn't get quite as much credit as it deserves, especially since that's what takes the longest out of all things in a moveset (next to bug fixing) because I animated almost every main move from scratch (barring the U Tilt and B Air of course). And remember that this is MY moveset. I should have the right to do it how I want.
Another things that I noticed instantly about your suggestions is that you're (you may not even realise it) making him overpowered completely rather than balanced. If I were to take into account all your suggestions, he would have no weaknesses, making him overpowered as hell.
But let me break it apart more:
- AAA combo has been fixed. I'll be updating the version soon.
- How is 10% too much for the F Tilt? It's not even that fast, and doesn't kill until quite late. Most F Tilts do about the same if not MORE than that. 10% isn't too high at all.
- The U Tilt I may change completely. It's sort of a filler at the moment. I don't really like it. It's not too useful.
- Now let me put something into perspective about the D Tilt. Spidey's D Tilt does 4%, which is the same as Ness' and 3% less than Lucas'. It has a bit more knockback than Lucas', and roughly the same speed but more range. It also has a lower tripping rate compared to both of them. My point is that it's just as much of a damage dealer as those two moves.
- I will make the U Smash hitboxes more disjointed so they can hit further in front of him. It is rather hard to hit with it
- Never had a problem landing the F Air. I find it actually to be his most reliable killing move. It's his strongest aerial both damage and knockback wise.
- I also never had a problem comboing with the U Air at all. Infact, I had to nerf it quite a bit because it actually functioned as somewhat like a Wall of Pain move at low %. It did 11% before I nerfed to 8%, and I was able in some cases to build up about 60 odd % just by short hopping and spamming the U Air a few times.
- There is a sweetspot for the B Air. I just made it more well rounded. Sheik's was pathetic if you whiffed the tiny sweetspot on her foot. I kept this sweetspot, toned it down a bit and made the whole move more well rounded by making it so that the rest of her leg actually did something.
- And yet at the same time, we have Data right there saying the Web Ball too spammable XD However, what I think I will do is decrease the end lag and increase the start-up quite a bit.
- He comes to a halt? Never noticed this. I always found he kept a bit of his forward momentum. But either way it can't really be helped to be honest. I tried many things to get this to even work nicely and the current way it works was by far the best way.
- Up B needs quite a bit of revamping. I like the idea of web swirling around him whilst he ascends. I may also make it so that rather than pressing B to do the follow up, the follow up happens automatically if you hit the attack
- Yeah the Down B on the ground is indeed too slow and not rewarding enough. I'll increase the start-up quite a bit.
- Maybe it will have two swings in the air for the Brawl- version, but honestly his ability to move is insane enough as it is. Actually, I think that more knockback won't really help the move. It's an approach move. It shouldn't have high knockback.
- Down Taunt speech bubble isn't appearing because you aren't using the FitZelda.pac I included. I honestly don't even know why I bother with Readme's sometimes ¬_¬
*Sigh* Feedback can be a little depressing sometimes, especially when you just wake up to find this massive review situated at the bottom of the page @.@ PSA's take so much more work than every other kind of hack, but get the most criticism. This is understandable though, because there are so many more factors to take into account when making a good PSA compared to, say, making a good vertex, texture or stage.
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« Reply #3903 on: July 13, 2011, 02:03:18 AM » |
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for anyone who doesnt work make sure sheik is spelled right the first time i putted the moveset i misspelled sheik and didnt load anything lol
thoughs of the moveset well theres a move i dont like side smash i mean he doesnt move the only way to hit people with the side smash is if they come to you maybe changing it for like sonic like punch or even shiek side smash wich was fun those kicks
also the down b in the ground is not very useful if it was a counter we could counter projectyles and such i think down B was better to be a counter move because right now its just not worth to use
the rest is awnsome xD
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« Reply #3904 on: July 13, 2011, 02:07:17 AM » |
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Yeah, I was thinking the same for the web balls, more start up, but much less end lag.
And maybe the down B should be a counter as soon as you push B down? But in exchange, maybe it can be strict with the timing. Like a parry, instant as soon as you push B down, but the counter frames only last a few frames?
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« Reply #3905 on: July 13, 2011, 02:10:01 AM » |
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for anyone who doesnt work make sure sheik is spelled right the first time i putted the moveset i misspelled sheik and didnt load anything lol
thoughs of the moveset well theres a move i dont like side smash i mean he doesnt move the only way to hit people with the side smash is if they come to you maybe changing it for like sonic like punch or even shiek side smash wich was fun those kicks Except it does move during startup. Charge it up partially and he practically slides across the stage XD Not to mention it has great reach and power and it's my favourite smash attack animation (I find it so satisfying to land personally XD).
Yeah, I was thinking the same for the web balls, more start up, but much less end lag.
And maybe the down B should be a counter as soon as you push B down? But in exchange, maybe it can be strict with the timing. Like a parry, instant as soon as you push B down, but the counter frames only last a few frames?
This is a great idea actually. I may also change the animation as well so it's more "Spider Sense" like. Not sure though
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« Reply #3906 on: July 13, 2011, 02:14:36 AM » |
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This is a great idea actually. I may also change the animation as well so it's more "Spider Sense" like. Not sure though
That sounds good to me actually. Since that's one of his key powers. It would be fitting.
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On a random note.I just thought those were amusing.  |
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« Reply #3907 on: July 13, 2011, 02:25:01 AM » |
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Genius.
pure Genius. on teh above pictures.
Anyway. i hope Sdo0m does the BlackKnight Next after Spidey gets complete.
he's been making speedy and combo based characters. i challenge him to make the complete and total opposite of the characters he's been making. maybe a new challenge for Sdo0m is to make the complete and total opposite. (also, i want ganondorf gone so i can have Clare vs Ganondorf without ganoncide instant Freezing.)
though i love every single PSA he's made and i use everysingle one. (funny my friend was telling to make SpiderSheik for a while. well i dont need to now =D)
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« Reply #3908 on: July 13, 2011, 02:35:51 AM » |
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Damn, I wanted to play spiderman in SSE, do you think you could make a button combination transform zelda, so you can only do it on purpose?
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« Reply #3910 on: July 13, 2011, 03:43:17 AM » |
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I really hope you do Zero or Blackknight.
really looking at Blackknight though... he'lll be EPIC.
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« Reply #3911 on: July 13, 2011, 05:42:14 AM » |
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i love ur PSA's man!!! every single 1 of them  ................... will u bear my babies? xD jk i would really like to see a new zero PSA tho with the updated model and such... it would be kick ass since u learned alot more during making spider man! also, ill re-download spiderman once u fix that glitch i showed u |
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« Reply #3912 on: July 13, 2011, 05:52:50 AM » |
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btw Sdo0m how did you make this GFX:  since i am maybe needing to make a 2d GFX like that but with Geno Boost for the arrows upwards like then he using it in Super Mario RPG like as them here:  so i was thinking if spiderman´s GFX was possible i think something like that for Geno was possible too |
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I Dont Take Requests & Dont Do Brawl Mods anymore Maybe Sm4sh modz later
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« Reply #3913 on: July 13, 2011, 05:53:58 AM » |
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SDoom, since i believe u love 2099 spidey, take a look at this: HUGE IMAGE edit: lol, not so huge after all... XDDDD |
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« Reply #3914 on: July 13, 2011, 06:01:14 AM » |
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btw Sdo0m how did you make this GFX: since i am maybe needing to make a 2d GFX like that but with Geno Boost for the piles upwards like then he using it in Super Mario RPG like as them here: so i was thinking if spiderman´s GFX was possible i think something like that for Geno was possible too
- Take the first graphic model (and the exclamation01 texture) from the FitZelda.pac I included in the Spider-Man pack
- Replace whatever graphic model in your Geno (FitToonlink.pac).
- Then edit the texture of the exclamation01 to whatever you like
- Import the edited texture into your FitToonlink.pac and name it exclamation01
- When you preview the model in Brawlbox, you should see that the model autmoatically shapes itself to the texture.
I did the same thing with Cloud's pineapple
SDoom, since i believe u love 2099 spidey, take a look at this: HUGE IMAGE edit: lol, not so huge after all... XDDDD  So far the ones that I will definitely include are this, dpgthirteen's Symbiote (I only just prefer it over MANSTA8's one. It's the spider on the chest XD) and the Carnage one. I think maybe the Scarlet Spider one needs a little bit of work though.
Btw guys, feel free to release these retextures individually on the Brawlvault. It will be a while before I include them all in the pack  |
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