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http://youtu.be/hetsLqeyWpE (http://youtu.be/hetsLqeyWpE)

Gray Fox is in the OP.

There is no room for all 4 characters' info in the OP so I will update the link to Lyn's post when it is time.

Sora's post is here:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12942713&postcount=55 (http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12942713&postcount=55)

Mega Man's post is there.
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=12108.msg395015#msg395015 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=12108.msg395015#msg395015)
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=17180 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=17180)

Frank Jeager, the Gray Fox, has made his late arrival!

Download

This is Beta 0.5, which updates a lot of things
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=10027 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=10027)

An outdated demonstration Video is right here.
NOTE: Video is of a build in between the alpha and v0.2.
#Invalid YouTube Link#

Gray Fox is a very mobile character. He may not run as fast as Falcon, but he's still fast.
(http://a.imageshack.us/img412/7736/al1007270239binout.jpg) (http://img412.imageshack.us/i/al1007270239binout.jpg/)

He weighs the same as Yoshi, but falls quickly for a Brawl character. Keep this in mind when you edgeguard.

His jab is similar to his Assist trophy slash, but slightly nerfed from that. In it's current state, it can rack up a lot of damage if you trap your opponent on a wall.
(http://i.imgur.com/b7gEJ.jpg)

His dash attack has him lunge over a high distance with his sword pointed out.
It's sweet spot is at the tip of the blade.
(http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7377/al1010260019binout.jpg) (http://img146.imageshack.us/i/al1010260019binout.jpg/)

Gray Fox's utilt functions... differently now.
The animation I made has him slashing the sword....how to explain....
Think Marth's utilt inverted.
(http://i.imgur.com/KlX69.jpg)
Still has the deceptive range.
(http://i.imgur.com/nxmJq.jpg)

His forward Smash is a series of 2 connecting powerful hits. It has good KO power, does 25% damage, and decptive range.
(http://i.imgur.com/Y0NiM.jpg)
The first hit.
(http://i.imgur.com/oSZrC.jpg)
and the second hit.

Angling the Fsmash nets you a different attack.
This one is based heavily off of his attack animation from the PSX version of his boss fight.
(http://i.imgur.com/k8uGq.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/UMAF5.jpg)
These first 2 hit link together.

There is a third kick which is stronger and sends you at a lower angle, but it;s hard to land.
(http://i.imgur.com/iTpax.jpg)

His down air is..... different now.
Unwieldy and has a lot of land lag, but it's unique.
(http://i.imgur.com/hVXRP.jpg)
The sweetspot will meteor opponents and is indicated by a GFX.
The sourspot will send foes sideways.
It can also make a very deadly anti-tether weapon.
(http://i.imgur.com/XNZ5x.jpg)

His Back Throw has Gray Fox stabbing his opponent with strong force.
(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7148/al1010260020binout.jpg) (http://img442.imageshack.us/i/al1010260020binout.jpg/)
So strong, it forces the victim to drop whatever item they are holding.

The NEW Hunter Slash has no pics yet.......
Check back later.

I made a new animation for his up taunt where he "loses himself".

He'll spaz out hand bang his head on the ground.
His head banging will bury anyone near his head.
This move is slow, but can make for quite the shield breaker against anyone foolish enough to shield all the hits.
(http://a.imageshack.us/img571/5379/al1007270235binout.jpg) (http://img571.imageshack.us/i/al1007270235binout.jpg/)
This taunt is present in the v0.2 beta.

I added a new attack in V3.
It works similarly like his AT Slash, but not so overpowered.
It's fast, weak, hard to DI out of, and can lead to other aerials or the Hunter Slash.
(http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/5049/al1010251528binout.jpg) (http://img295.imageshack.us/i/al1010251528binout.jpg/)

He can grab items too.
Version 0.3X Fixes the HaveN Bug.
Also I made a new Item Smash action.
(http://i.imgur.com/r91cO.jpg)

V0.4 enables wall jumping.
(http://i.imgur.com/QrKWq.jpg)

V0.5 improves the projectile reflections. It works on more attacks now and almost all Sword based moves can reflect. Be sure you are facing the projectile or it won't work.

(http://i.imgur.com/T5ODE.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/CEkBu.jpg)
Some moves are easier to reflect with than others.
(http://i.imgur.com/YeM8r.jpg)

His Final Smash is still a WIP. It hasn't been looked at since the alpha release but it still works without glitches.

Character Portraits and such
These are included in the beta release.
Here are previews.


CSP portraits
(http://i.imgur.com/G7Axx.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/tBoie.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/RUjGa.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/cCNsT.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/GnSHN.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/WDVZ7.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/sjlR7.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/GcfHJ.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/aGel7.jpg)

Alt Pose
(http://i.imgur.com/UREQ1.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/ueocr.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/UrVlO.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/OGGPD.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/kjQtO.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/kuHtj.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/Mj4SB.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/eoeP9.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/SoQJX.jpg)

Brawl Pose
(http://i.imgur.com/J39Xp.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/7TLCU.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/g18L8.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/kbHlE.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/yVWKu.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/soWwx.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/56A0p.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/VmauD.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/kAF0M.jpg)

Stock Heads
(http://i.imgur.com/yt3x7.png) (http://i.imgur.com/Sfrtz.png) (http://i.imgur.com/Y95pY.png) (http://i.imgur.com/Fj4xg.png) (http://i.imgur.com/aJ54R.png) (http://i.imgur.com/HxkTF.png) (http://i.imgur.com/2PKUZ.png) (http://i.imgur.com/AxZtl.png) (http://i.imgur.com/StC1N.png)

Battle Portraits
(http://i.imgur.com/cMA2M.png) (http://i.imgur.com/KI3Nz.png) (http://i.imgur.com/3T6Ek.png) (http://i.imgur.com/OJRM6.png) (http://i.imgur.com/XeQO0.png) (http://i.imgur.com/JnR0M.png) (http://i.imgur.com/pHsxn.png) (http://i.imgur.com/KkpmR.png) (http://i.imgur.com/7Rewy.png)

Character Text
(http://a.imageshack.us/img831/2535/menselchrchrnm211copy.png) (http://img831.imageshack.us/i/menselchrchrnm211copy.png/)
(http://a.imageshack.us/img256/9936/ci3.png) (http://img256.imageshack.us/i/ci3.png/)
(http://a.imageshack.us/img831/5294/cep.png) (http://img831.imageshack.us/i/cep.png/)(For PAL spelling)

Character Portraits
(http://a.imageshack.us/img29/7787/menselchrchrface022copy.png) (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/menselchrchrface022copy.png/)
(http://a.imageshack.us/img828/6606/ci2.png) (http://img828.imageshack.us/i/ci2.png/)
(http://a.imageshack.us/img833/8065/ci1.png) (http://img833.imageshack.us/i/ci1.png/)

Known Glitches..... were apparently fixed when I fixed the hurtboxes.
No moar polygon stretching when he climbs a ladder, get Pikmin latched on, Homing attacked on, C4ed, etc.

To Do List
Change forward B and tweak down B.
Make him Wall Jump
Further improve Graphical effects to better match sword motion.
Make Horizontal Sword swipes reflect projectiles. Still not working despite the defensive collisions.
Tweak Flags so the hit types match the action.
Kirby hat!
Remake Neutral B animations
Fix IDC
New Final Smash

Change list

v0.6

v0.5

v0.4

v0.3XX

v0.3X
v0.3v0.2X

v0.2

I just want to say that this is amazing man. Now I'm really having seconds thoughts about replacing Meta Knight.

i like the fact that he can pick up items, because I play with items.

Can't wait for V2!

This is AMAZING!  Really good work, dude.  I hope you stick with this, cause this looks like one of the more promising new characters.  When will 0.2 be out?

ya when will out?

this is good but im having the small problem of big hitboxes if you learn how to fix tell me becuz im having the same prob wit knuckles

*Speechless*

best alpha i've ever seen

Oh, you will definetely find Gray Fox from Metal Gear Solid waay better than that wimpy old Meta Knight. (Not saying Meta Knight is wimpy, but compared to Gray Fox he is most certainly wimpy.)

Just so you know, I'm waiting for Dantarion to gather more information about hurtboxes before the next release.
In the meantime, I've been creating an SFX pack for Gray Fox.

No you were right first time, Meta knight is wimpy... period.

Wow this is really good. Definitely downloading. Also, just had a funny idea. You should make a texture that looks like Deadpool. XD

Ok, I got somthing that you will like Eternal Yoshi:

This was originally posted on SWF:





I want other people's opinions: Should I post this on da Vault? Maybe somone could vertex his face to well, be shaped like a face. Right now it's as flat as a pancake.

Just so you know, I'm still working on the Armgun, but it will likely be removed for the V2 release later today for freezing reasons.

Removed? I liked the idea of it. He needs it, since it was a badace move he used in the Twin Snakes.  :-X But if it causes freezes, then maybe there is another way to add it... I just hope my idea for the Armgun is used since I have been literally dreaming for an awesome move like that.


Edit:
I also found a retarded glitch with Gray Fox. If he tries to climb a latter, some of his polygons stretch to the right of where he is climbing.

I found a way to make it appear seemingly by vertexing MK's Mantle into an armgun.
I know how to vert edit, but this will take time.

Hmm.... it seems to stretch his waist there for some reason.... Maybe stretching the waist to the left for that animation will balance it out.

Bone issue?

Who knows, but it's not game breaking. It seems to only extend the hurtbox for the hip for the duration of the animation.

Oh, beta 2 is out now.

Hey man are the hit boxes fixed in V2?

I cannot fix them until Dantarion spills the beans on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNS-gqFsTDE

Until he does, Gray Fox is going to have this stupid hurtbox glitch.
Turns on and off, but nobody wants it.

Come on Dantarion! Yoshi needs this as bad as other people with custom characters!

Maybe he would tell us if we subbed to his youtube channel or if we bribed him...

Okay, so I had the original, then downloaded this one.

I noticed on the old one if I used a specific character's attacks it would hit him from any distance. (Not mentioning the character because he is yet to be released, but he threw an item. I also knew the attack itself wasn't the thing wrong because it didn't do it to any other character)

On this one it doesn't do that anymore.

And I noticed the B move is now a gunshot.

Is that all that's changed? I don't notice anything else, and if that's all that's been changed it shouldn't be called version 2. A new version should have multiple attributes and attacks changed, not 2.

Look at the OP. There a quite a few things tweaked like the tilt hitboxes and added like the up taunt.

A changelist is in the OP you know.

Oops, forgot to mention some of those. I knew about the taunt and the few changes to attacks.

I guess what I'm feeling isn't much of a new character.

It's a really nice beginning, almost a version 0.5 or something.

It just still feels like you're playing with Meta Knight. But once this PSA gets deeper and more complex I'll get the feel of a new character.

That's why it's a beta.
I'm open to suggestions, just so you know.

Oh good I have a few ideas.

First off, if you use Side B and immediately press the dpad up, it goes higher than his actual Up B.

His side b could be a combo of multiple slashes.

I read a thread on how to do that (except they were using it for a final smash) and I'll add a link when I edit this.

The midair Side B would most likely be like Ike's or Zero's except it doesn't freefall, it's a bit shorter, and would do minor damage.

His Down B shouldn't even bring him back from invisibility until he performs an attack. For the fun of it you could add a time slowing effect too.

His Up B is good. I, however, would've most likely made it with more vertical distance.

Oh, and if these attacks were to be created, the freefalls would have to go (aside from Up B).

As for the final smash, you could create a hitbox afterwards that gives everyone on the stage the effect of their shield being broken (the one that makes them look confused) to give him time to recover the final smash.

You'd have to remove the instant kill part of it though.

The regular B is fine. The only thing I can think of is a possibility of a charge feature.


This is just ideas for you. Do what you want with them. :)

EDIT: Here's the link for the side b idea post: http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=12982.0

How do you plan on fixing his shield?
I tried the hack and its absolutely awesome the only prob his he has no defense
Is there anyway to fix that?

I don't think I can fix his shield now, but I can maybe make him hold items in the right bone.

Edit: http://i35.tinypic.com/ap9p2e.png

Time will tell when the hurtboxes will be fixed.

That looks interesting man, good luck with that.

Also, the item grabbing is much needed as well.

is the link broken or something? going to download it just takes me to a "The website declined to show this webpage".

it looks amazing!

Thank you

Eternal Yoshi, do you think you should of made V02 not over the old one? Some people may not know about it since it does not show up in the "new" hack section.

Anyways, maybe the way you are doing it is better since it keeps people from downloading the old version.

(http://a.imageshack.us/img90/1052/al1008210118binout.jpg) (http://img90.imageshack.us/i/al1008210118binout.jpg/)


That is all.

You can't just post a pic like that without someone asking how you did it... so how?

It involves Tabuu/OpenSA3 somehow, right...?
And this is an epic breakthrough for the world of model swapping! :happy:

Yes it involves Tabuu.

This quote from SWF tells all.

Great progress man, glad the shield looks right now. How are the hitboxes coming along?

I found the hurtboxes and edited them to be more sensible.
They were pointing to the dummy bones which might have caused the hurtbox stretching.
Like polygons.

Basically, more testing need to be done, but so far, changing the bone index references to the correct bones apparently fixed the hurtboxes.

Well sounds like good news then. Good luck with everything man and keep us updated.

Will the next release just fix the shield, hurtboxes, item grabbing, and footstooling?

Whoa... hurtbox fixing and shield fixing... this is amazing stuff here!

This is probably the best model swap project I've ever seen.

Simply stunning work.

No, this IS the best model swap ANYONE has seen, and it's a fact.

We got Gray Fox whom replaces a would-be badass character, and it has VERY few glitches. Can't wait for next update!   

Fixing the shield instantly fixed grabbing loaction, footstools, and throws.
I'm taking a while because I have to rebiuld the character.pac.

Since editing throws makes sense now, I made a new Bthrow for him.
(http://a.imageshack.us/img837/7526/al1008220916binout.jpg) (http://img837.imageshack.us/i/al1008220916binout.jpg/)

Still doing more experiments and testing.

How are you changing hurtboxes? @_@ I kinda want to do that.

Tabuu can help you with that.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=284044

Cool you should totally post a thread here for that -_-' I think?

Is it that complex to work with, or is it pretty simple like psa is? :s         

Tnere is a thread in on-topic discussion titled, "Dantatrion finishing what PW started"

It's takes time to get used to due to many things being undocumented, but it's worth it.

In that case I'll stick to psa for now and give it a try when I can do some better PSA stuff.

The next release just may be the best one, you know Yoshi, making a FULLY COMPLETE character from an Assist Trophy could make you famous on SWF AND KC:MM.
 
But the problem that could slow down this project is damn school.

Hopefully that won't be the problem.

Life can do more delays than that, you know.

The pac is rebuilt and I can open the new one in PSA, so no more rebiulding.

Need to correctly fix the item grabs and find out how to make him wall jump legitly.

It SHOULD be in the character.pac.

Damn I'm so excited for this.

Keep us updated, don't forget.

(http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/halolz-dot-com-supersmashbrosbrawl-captainfalconapproved.jpg)

V.2X APPROVED!

Anyways, I have an idea for a forward throw. Gray Fox balances his opponent on a sword, and they slowly gain damage, then he swings them around why the opponent is still balanced on it (Like Mario's forward throw) and he then comes up with a kick that kicks them off the sword.     

Life is going to prevent me from doing another fast update for a while.

Forward B now functions like a expy of Wolf's Forward B, but gives you a little bit of freedom to change your vertical velocity.
If you hold b, he will do a small leap at the end of the move.
Not strong, but it's meant to be an alternate recovery option anyway.

What do you guys think about the move?

I like the idea of it, moving very fast. It's like how Gray Fox cut off Ocelot's arm in MGS:TTS.

...the memories...

You fixed the hurt boxes? Get the fack outta here.

EDIT: Amazing work man seriously! I love Metaknight but he's getting replaced, sorry.

This is the best import yet, specially cause you fixed the hurtboxes and I can assure you it works perfectly.

Thanks!

I'm getting the exact opposite with the new version.

The hurtboxes take up the entire stage for me now. I can hit Grey Fox from the opposite side of the stage.

Oh, damn! All your Brawl hacks are bad luck!
This is what is happening to Dars...:

1st Snake texture had an ammo packs glitch

2nd Gray Fox is screwing up.

I myself am having issues with the hurtboxes too. Version 0.1 didn't have any hurtbox issues for me, 0.2 they took up the entire stage, and now this version shrunk down to only stretched horizontal hurtboxes that vary in length depending on how many humans/com's are playing.

If this is so, then that means I may have to use a different bone for the center hurtbox

I only experienced issues when the IC's use their final smash.

Which is odd considering that he interacts with the pirate ship and other stage hazards normally.

Hey are you gonna release a new video soon after V.3 is released? Let's see that badass own every Nintendo mascot.
Also, I got my Wii working so I can finally use your Gray Fox :)  

EDIT: Ok, I tried out your Gray Fox. He is epic. Moves are epic as well. For some strange reason he does not have the hurtbox glitch when using him or fighting him. I dunno why but that's awesome!

Well the hurtbox glitch can be random. I tried showing it to my friend, but he worked normally, then the next day he was glitchy idk about that

I use him all the time, almost everyday, there is no problem with the hurtboxes at all.

EternalYoshi, the texture is released ;)

By the way man, you really should fix the up taunt, looks like he's having sex with himself lol

I also notice you got moves from so many characters such as Shiek,  Pit, Ganondorf, Snake, Samus.

It's really amazing what you do bro.

There aren't any moves from Pit. Those moves are from Marth. Anyway, I made another aerial somewhow.

It activates when you press A and B in the air.

So that how SE packs are being distributed here....

You should totally make Rin(The assist trophy move could be her final smash) over ZSS next!

Rin?? You mean Lyndis?
(http://fireemblem.neoseeker.com/w/i/fireemblem/thumb/0/0c/Lyndis.png/300px-Lyndis.png)

lol yea I don't know why I thought her name was Rin >_> *facepalm* to self
Or hell, put her over a pretty much useless character (sheik or Princess peach)

no dont put it over peach...

peach is a MONSTER

I would love to have Lyn in my game as well.

Liquid Snake over Olimar. Use Irishladdie's model and texture.

I would love to see him match out against your Gray Fox.

Great minds think alike! :3 we need more female ass kickers in brawl anyway X3 I mean there could possibly be a ligit clone edition and the final smash could b her assist trophy thing :3  An import of Sheena from Tales of Symphonia, like moves and all would also be awesome :D

PS: Regarding the request dealing with ZSS(My last post in your topic) that was the one I PMed you about silly X3
The zelda one though was a request :3 but u don't gotta do dat if u don't want to. Jus the bunny suit samus would be epic if u did~

Just wanted to come by and remind you how much I love your Gray Fox character.

And you better be updating him! >D

You could just do a Model Import of Lyn over Marth, problem solved. XD

Why do you have to rebuild the .pac? I don't quite understand. Does changing the bone refs make the game spaz out otherwise?

Yes but that would just be a texture/model swap, we mean a full on new/playable character :3
And yes, Marth needs to be replaced with someone else next game, maybe Lyn :3 hehe

You have to rebilud the .pac because Tabuu has issues with opening pacs that have been heavily edited by PSA. If you try to open them, Tabuu will crash.

In other news, I made a new Usmash animation and a new aerial(though I think I said those already).

I made the PSX sound pack for Riivolution users, but I had to rearrange the SFX a lot, so many VO samplles won't play right with V0.2X.

I'm also waiting for the clone engine to be in an advanced state in development.

"Info or it didn't happen."

Do you plan on making a sound pack for Geko OS users *puppydog eyes*

Here.

http://twitter.com/dantarion
http://opensa.dantarion.com/wiki/Clone_Engine
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=286207


Also, Unless there is a bug free FPC 4.0, you need riivolution for the SE to work.
Sorry.

I was excited for this when I saw him in the BV. Then I saw how OP he is. Lame.

He's not OP.
I've already done little things to make him less dominant than Meta Knight, which is enough to keep him in line with the roster. That vid is a little dated.

What if I am doing a model import from another game? How do I deal with that?

I'm doing this for Zero.

Oh, my bad. My main concern with him being OP was the range of his sword and the amount of damage his gun does. Is there a more updated video comin' soon?

I got these guys at my school who always randomly say "GRAY FOX!"
It's funny to hear, but they said one time "Did you know there is this cheat that makes GRAY FOX PLAYABLE IN BRAWL!?"

Damn right, I was wondering if they knew about this project..

Anyways, new video or update coming? I mean, this project is getting way to big for one video.

 

His gun as of now is a raygun whose speed is slower than the normal spam.
This will become something different in the future.

I'm gonna wait for the clone engine for the next version and video to come out.

No.


I'm still kind of confused on how the clone engine works.

Does this mean that we can have both Metaknight and Gray Fox?

Later, if it's completed.

Dantarion saide he needs to figure out the multi-jump flags and such and afterwards, he will be able to add slots.

P.S. I meant a different Lazer.

Don't you think it would be cool if Gray Fox had the Stealth taunt as your custom taunt Snake does? It would be to good to overlook.

Sounds cool.
I missed something so obvious. I managed to change the bone that the article(Armgun) is attached to so Making it follow his motions will be much easier and less vexing.

As you may have noticed, I'm waiting for the Clone engine.

I will finish up V0.3 and release the SFX pack later tonight or tomorrow.
Be warned that V0.3 may be the last version that will be over Meta Knight.

wow awesome work I'd like to give him sheiks dart instead of lasers. then you could re-texture and make it look like Ryu Hayabusa.

Shiek's darks? The whole idea of the armgun/railgun was that he used it in MGS:TTS. He is not trying to turn Gray Fox into another character from another game. The whole idea was to add another MGS character in Brawl...

We don't want to turn this into somthing else, you know. Gray Fox is from the best game ever made, Metal Gear Solid. If you want, like a few other projects, take these project files and edit them your self and make the texture. I'm sure there is somone out there who would love to help you.   

(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/7034/al1009251248binout.jpg) (http://img801.imageshack.us/i/al1009251248binout.jpg/)

I moved it away from his shoulder, but this pic should give you the idea.

New animations, same Neutral B as V0.2X.

Looks like a mix of Samus' cannon and the cracker launcher. Does it disappear after the move or does Gray Fox become the new Samus Aran?

I'm sure it disapears, also, does this mean it shoots Falco's yellow textured lazers to look like rail gun bullets?

It disappears after the move and his Sword reappears.

As for the second question, I can't answer that yet.

The clone engine is developing at a rate faster than anticipated, so here's version 3 when it processes.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=10027

THIS WILL BE THE LAST VERSION OVER METAKNIGHT!

Anyway, I added a new aerial attack. Press A and B simultaneously in the air.
Not strong, but fast and it can lead to other aerials.

How does the sound effects work?
Oh, no, Riivolution only!
No! I got Gecko!
(Otacon: We got Gekko!)

I guess you can't fix the item glitch.

Riivolution isn't too hard to use if you find the right XMLs to use with it. I have one that gets rid of the crappy "brawlmods" file locations and just uses the normal "private" folder.

Cool, which version of Riivolution is it? I already have it I just don't know how to set it up lol.

GAHHH Hey yoshi, I needs a favor, can you make fox do all of ike and Marth's normal attack animations? Just the a buttons and smash attacks? whenever I try to edit the animations in the usual way (copy frame zero onto frame one) it always looks weird.

PS: this's for a krystal psa I'm doing to go with firekings eventual krystal texture ....any help would be much apriciated >_>

My riivolution uses the private folder, its always been like that. If you want i can give you my xml's and etc. And is this psa going to be godworthy in the future? i would definatly love a godly greyfox xD
                                                                                                                                                       ~Trace

You should DL the newest Brawlbox Modset on Smashboards and check "Without Translation" in the new model previewer and then try to copy the frames again.

This PSA isn't meant to be broken.
It's meant to be in line with most of the cast.
Basically to fill in MK's shoes, but not quite.

I'll make a broken version if you want, but that will have to wait for Super Wario Man to be finished.

Nah it's cool. I'm ok with my current broken MetaKnight :P Also i'm going to try out your SWM beta in a sec so i'll be sure to post feedback on it xD
                                                                                                                                                       ~Trace

If you could give me a hard copy of the Riivolution you use I would highly appreciate it. I just hate how Gray Fox sounds like Meta Knight.

I don't think Gray Fox sounds bad over Metaknight at all.

Well I'm about to test V3 out.

I'm saying that Gray Fox sounds weird with MK's SFX. It's a good idea of course to replace him since I think MK is just annoying and I would rather have a MGS character be 1st or 2nd tier.

Though overall I think Snake needs to be top tier and Gray Fox needs to be second since Solid Snake has proven to beat Gray Fox hand-to-hand.
To bad he was killed in MGS1/MGS:TTS. I would of loved to see Raiden fight him or somthing lol.

Thankfully I got Riivolution now, imma test out the sound effects. Thanks to meh Hex editor.

If you help me solve my issue I may be able to Vertex Marth into Raiden.

Could you post your XML?

If I made up the moveset for her would you guys do that Lyn girl (yes I'm terrible with names *sigh*) assist trophy next after Grey Fox is through, you guys do such awesome work :D

Also if you could, please maybe come up with a version that works with the filepatch code?

PS: can anyone link me to tabuu thread, I'm tired of psa >_>
PSS: is Tabuu much more difficult than psa, or is it actually simplified and LOOKS more complicated cause of the weird layout?

SFX only works with Riivolution, unless you want to try your hand at Phantom Wings
Horrifically Buggy 4.0 code.

The 4.0 version is not compatible with any other codes and will freeze if there are any other codes......

Anyway, the Clone engine is taking longer than expected, so I will make a quick update to fix where the item is located when Pikazz spills the beans about how he did it.

Also a new bair with a custom animation.

lol "Almost final version to be released on metaknight" XD

Posting ot let you guys know that I successfully fixed his HaveN and now he has proper item swings.

To celebrate, I gave him a new Swing4 animation(Item FSmash).

I also restored his correct sword glow and Eye glow.

I hope to have a DL tonight after I clean the kitchen.

That's great to hear!! Looking forward to it.

Did you post it.

Yeah let me know please.

Sorry for the day long delay, but it's here.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=10027&Moderated=All

THIS IS INTENDED TO BE THE LAST VERSION OVER METAKNIGHT!

When the clone engine gets to a usable state, Gray Fox will have his own slot.

I knew staying up would be worth the wait.

About to test.

Time for another update.

An actual "quick" update this time, this one corrects the location of heavy items when GF carries them and Wario's bike will no longer glitch out when thrown.

Also included files needed for the effects to work correctly in single player,
as well as tweaks to bair's hitboxes.

The BrawlVault link was updated to if you DL'd before this message was posted, please DL again.

I like this project a lot but im using it when the clone engine is out
BTW
I made (perfect) CSP for GrayFox
http://s861.photobucket.com/albums/ab174/renkaken/broul/CSP/Gray%20Fox/

I love it so much that I couldn't wait for the Clone Engine.

Sorry Meta Knight.

The New and Awesome Gray Fox Glitches:

(1) If you trap an opponent against a wall and use the A button constantly for about 30 seconds or more the game will freeze. (Not sure if this happens to other people)

(2) If Snake sticks a C4 to Gray Fox, his polygons will stretch to the center of the stage, this will not always happen, but it usually does. His hurtbox won't stretch though with the polygons.    

I just put a loop rest on the GFX part of the jab.

I held A against a Metal D3 on a wall in Temple for 5 minutes and no freezing.

Please test it like I did. If it does freeze, it's because the GFX for the jab has no loop rest.

The C4 issue was known and is related to the extra bones, like what happens when Sonic does homing attack on one of the extra bones.

Might I mention the stage I was using was Shadow Moses Island (Sorry, I haven't had time to download your stage) and it was against one of the walls. The wall was beng damaged at the same time.

Another thing I should say is that my Wii version is 4.2U. I'm working on downgrading my Wii to 3.2U. This may be the key reason why I get random freezing and Exception DSI occured messages. Might I ask you Yoshi, what is your Wii version?       

I'm getting DSI Occured messages because of the crash. Still working on fixing this.

Stage shouldn't matter unless you have stage modifing codes.

Please do it on Hyrule Temple for me.

4.2, but I have all the cracks and such that 3.3.1 had, which is needed to dump my discs.

If you look around the net, you can have 4.2 with the benefits of 3.2, as such there is no purpose in downgrading anymore.

Ok, I'm fixing that error as we speak. I'll test Fox on Hyrule Temple and see the result. So, I can have benefits of 3.2, huh. Can you link me to that article?   

There is no article, you have to google it, or cleverly use Dop-Mii, the version before the Wiibrew version.

Be careful using it.

I'm serious.

Dop-Mii also saved me from my Semi-Brick, and I also restored my ability to use Gamecube AR, Riivolution, and Gecko OS. :)

Anyway, give me the results when you can.

Ok, we good. I fixed the error. It just started working again yay!

I'll be happy to get Dop-Mii and fix up all my glitches, since everything that has to do with Luigi's Mansion always freezes. Subspace Emissary freezes after the first minute of playing it, and the cutscenes freeze too when trying to view them. Regular Brawl rarely freezes, and the Smash Ball item never spawns. Weird huh.

Ok, so you updated Gray Fox with the A button loop rest? I'll go test it.

?!? Sounds like you have moar issues than what GF can do.

First of all, use this code and start up Brawl and see if Luigi's Mansion works better.

Certain codes do cause 1-player modes to freeze.

CSS, SSS, and stage roster expansion codes can cause the game to freeze when entering Classic and All-Star.

Despite my codeset, SSE works fine, even with Gray Fox.

What codeset do you use???
Something else may have corrupted the game somehow, or your save data.

Thanks for the Luigi's Mansion Fix :p

My codes:

- Allow More Than 1000 Replays!
- File Patch Code v3.5.1 (NTSC-U) [Phantom Wings]
- Disable Time Limit On VC Games [brkirch]
- Default Settings Modifier[Igglyboo, Brkirch, and FMK]
- Stack-able Stickers (Y.S.) [!Untested!]
- Snake: Infinite Grenade Rounds:(Press Special Move button to end)
- Snakes side b lasts forever (press shield button to cancel) [Jassim]
- Brawl+/Melee2.0 (2.2) [codes used made by Phantom Wings and Y.S]
- Default CPU Level Modifier[Igglyboo]
- Waiting room music [spunit262]
- Allow Replays Longer Than Three Minutes (brkirch)
- Unrestricted Replay Camera [FireC, original Y.S.]
- Unrestricted Pause Camera [Link, original Y.S.]

Keep in mind I have that code that allows me to have more that 8,000 lines of coding.
I'll try your Luigi's Mansion Fix as soon as I can.

- Disable Time Limit On VC Games [brkirch]

I'm not sure if you need this but if you aren't playing the games in Brawl, you don't need this code.

- Stack-able Stickers (Y.S.) [!Untested!]
I haven't tested this either.

This code might be the one that screwed up Luigi's Mansion.

When you try Luigi's mansion's Fix, be sure to turn this code off.

I knew you were going to say that about the Stack-able Stickers. Might I say, that I gave Snake every strongest sticker in the entire game. I believe this is an issue. I will just take all the stickers off then.

Also, if you want to test the Stack-able Stickers code, here you go


Gray Fox is now working fine :af:.
 

TO get back on topic, I made this:

(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/297/gfteaser.png) (http://img18.imageshack.us/i/gfteaser.png/)

Wow, nice. Did Friedslick send you the MGS:TTS textures for Spiderman Gray Fox?

Along with that, I made a regular MGS:TTS Gray Fox using the textures Friedslick sent me, bright, Brawlish Gray Fox dosn't make since and definetely isn't Metal Gear ish. Oh, and the Luigi Mansion Fix worked, thanks.
I'm gonna release that with a hardcore bloody Gray Fox.

(http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/6007/grayfoxmgs.png)

Hardcore bloody coming up next.  :happy:

Nice PSA Eternal... Ive enjoyed playing him...

is the beta 0.3XX the latest version?

Yes.

10yes

Feedback time!

Well I finally had a chance to test it today, and wow man, just wow.

This character is now absolutely perfect. Is this even Metaknight?

I feel like it came in the game, and if it would have been in the game, this is exactly how.

What I saw in this new version, the new arm gun is sick!

Also, I love the fact that you included his effects, that blue trace from his sword, and specially that light that shines out of his eye?

(http://i53.tinypic.com/2cyp7id.png)

I'm very pleased with this character, and hope to see more stuff from you ;)

Heres an extra screenshot out of boredom.

(http://i55.tinypic.com/2daneh2.png)

(In red^) What code does that? Can you post/PM me it? Thanks in advance.

How in the world do you put the effects in?

Riivolution. ._.

The effect folder is to ensure the effects work correctly 1 player modes.

Just put the effect folder in pf if you are using file patch.

Are you gonna do Lyn next man?(after shadowfox is finished) We need another bad ass hottie in Brawl :3 and her final smash could be the assist trophy.
As for who it's over, i suggest marth or ike...since they already have swords?

Does it really matter?

I just wish someone would replace Diddy Kong already.

with who....kranky kong? xD
lol actually that'd be hilarious lol

Yes. I'm making animations and porting some from her AT as we speak.

BADASS <3 expect a beta tester from me :3

Wait, over who?

......................Link.
For the Bow.

I added the bones and everything sans the Hookshot (since it's at her feet)
works perfectly after hexing Link.pac to reference the proper bones.

Okay, good. There's nothing good over Link.

So, about when can we expect a beta.

An ALPHA will be here soon. Maybe tomorrow night if all goes well and this flu doesn't slow me down.

Let me get this straight.

You are doing a new character, Lyn?

And you are porting here into Link?

And you have the flu?

So many questions!

Yes, yes, and yes.

Wow this is amazing news to me. I love your Gray Fox too much, so I will replace Link for Lyn until the Clone Engine is done.

Good luck with everything ;)

Me too, expect a video of it asap <3

It won't work, but let me try it again.

Yep, it won't work.

Hey man how is Lyn coming along?

Animating her stuff is taking longer than expected, but she's starting to look good.

Her skirt requires extra care when animating, unless you like panty shots.

I don't mind the occasional panty shot *pervy grin* xD
PS: I'm definately gonna make a video of her, and CSP's etc too :D 

Good to hear man, give us some screenshots when you can ;)

Lyn... Why not work on Mantis over Olimar? Just use Shiek's model and vertex the face into a gas mask, then use Mantis' textures from MGS:TTS that Friedslick sent me.

Wait, isn't there a No Pikman Model we could use as a base?
Anyways, if we could use Mantis' actual model then scrap using Shiek's model and use the real model with less pain.
THAT is if using Gamecube models are possible.

I don't have a Mantis Mdl0.

Not to mention that TTS's model format isn't the same as MGS2 and not all of them can be converted to .OBJ properly with Solidus.

Characters vertexes and I don't get along as well as everyone else seems to be.

My internet was down during the time frame character vertexes first became relevant so I missed the boat on that.

In other news, I haven't animated Lyn's attacks yet but I have finished animating all of her Walking, Jumping, Running, Shielding, Footsools, and Wait animations.

It's important to do these first for transitional reasons.

If you animated, you'd know why.

Hey Yoshi, would you mind if I helped with the beta testing/videos for lyn? I have nothing better to do with my time ^+^

OK.
As of now, It's not ready yet.
Not even consider it an alpha.

Nice, I won't let u down :3
NP like I said, I got time xD

Oh well, Mantis would of been so COOL. For a Final Smash he should have a blackout, the whole screen goes black, and it says "HIDEO" on the top right of the screen, and it looks like a T.V. problem. Then, during the blackout characters would switch around, for example a Snake player could be controlling a Mario player, and you know what I mean.
...somthing like that, but somthing alot more lethal.

If you don't know what The Blackout is, I got the perfect video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRROftC82-4

WARNING: THE SHOUT AT THE BEGAINING OF THE VIDEO IS SO EPIC YOU'RE COMPUTER MAY EXPLODE THEN IMPLODE!
 

lol *watches video* WTF why is it that the secret passage is ALWAYS the book case @_@ I mean damn...how cliche can you get XD

That would be awesome and it could be possible if we use Manaphy's parameters. XD

I know what the blackout is.

I feel silly switching the ports during the Screaming Mantis fight.

Hey EternalYoshi, I never told you but I love your Snake Taunts hack.

I posted the video for people who may not know what The Blackout is. I know, I saw the video of somone switching the ports in MGS4 XD.
Maybe porting Mantis over Project Mewtwo would be a better idea, since Mantis is kinda similiar to Mewtwo in a way. I'll try to get the model from MGS:TTS.

So, it's possible to use Manaphy's parameters *screams*


I know, but where else would it of been? Yeah, it's kinda cliche lol.

OK. I finished her jabs, ftilt, dtilt, nair, fair, and uair.

Pics will be here later this week.

Also, if you want Gray Fox to wall jump, use this code by standardtoaster:

Metaknight can walljump [Standardtoaster]
04B0B710 00000001

Yes I would love to see some pics soon, glad you got all those things done already.


Hey why not right? I'll deff try this out soon.

Sounds glitchy. What animations does Gray Fox use anyways?  

I hope he dosn't turn into Meta Knight but keep Gray Fox's textures. That would be horrible.

That's great news! :D be sure to send me the alpha and I'll get a video and pictures ASAP, and some csp's + possible recolor pack :3

(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6696/mantisunmaskedd.png)

I'mma workin' on Mantis' model. I used his unmasked textures since I can't a vertex of him with a gas mask at the moment. Once it's done I'll send the model to you, Eternal Yoshi, so you can try to port it over Mewtwo.

Compare my model with this:

(http://gameinformer.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/CommunityServer-Components-UserFiles/00-00-44-49-67-Attached+Files/0285.5403243168344df1f458217242ddd214.jpg)

Utilt and Fsmash are done.

When my brother finishes watching basketball, I may be able to get pics.

In the meantime, why not you guys drop ideas for a special move, as the AT attack is reserved for her Final Smash.

Hmm....side special moves huh...hmm....

How about have her side B like Fox's Side b Fox illusion. It could travel further, make her invisible during the move and hit rappid times.  She'd slash her blade around lightning quick and it's enescapable.

Who's Lyn over though? I hopes you have sound effects too... (Sadly I have no ideas because she only does 6 kinds of attacks her whole game. >.>)

Wow, everyone just ignored my post.

Well, can't wait for a post on Lyn...

I didn't ignore it.
Keep Try to get the vertex and mask perfect.

IMO, Sheik's stature would be more appropriate.

Lyn is over Link, but that won't matter next year.
Unfortunately, I have no SFX for her as she doesn't have enough voice clips to make it worthwile.

Why not try to animate her Bow Special move like this? (I'd say without having it charge, or have it charge while spinning the arrow? it's just an idea.) (http://www.feplanet.net/media/sprites/7/battle/animations/ally/critical/lyn_bladelord_bow.gif)

And for the rest, looking on Lyndis' critical animations might give out ideas:
(http://www.feplanet.net/media/sprites/7/battle/animations/ally/critical/lyn_lord_sword.gif)(http://www.feplanet.net/media/sprites/7/battle/animations/ally/lyn_lord_sword.gif)
(http://www.feplanet.net/media/sprites/7/battle/animations/ally/critical/lyn_bladelord_solkatti.gif)(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/7955/anibllynwithzephielsswo.gif)
(http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs31/f/2008/219/2/6/Fire_Emblem_Lyn_by_EnixCloud1.gif)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x259/battleshinja12/Animated/LynSolCritical.gif)
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/5/52/Bladelord.gif)(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x259/battleshinja12/Animated/LynSolCritical2.gif)
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll283/lonely_shadow_X/Lyndis_Blade_Lord_Critical_by_xBlue.gif)


Here (http://es.fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Lyndis) are some of the frames.

I'll try to do that for the bow.

I successfully changed the bone index of the bow and I need to check out Lyn's ef.pac and see what everything is.

Thanks for the gifs.

She actually have a lot of animations, but only for Critical Hits with diferent swords, and most of 'em makes her .. teleport lol

If you can get her standing like that when using the bow as well, that'd be perfect!

Hope something comes to mind after checking them.

Her final smash could be the thing where she splits into several people and cuts everyone a bunch of times.

That code for Gray Fox walljumping is evil. When I tried it out, Gray Fox lost his A move and he just T-standed upon being hit. Not cool.

The code dosn't even do what it is supposed to do. It is so glitchy.

Good luck on Lyn.

FE swordmaster ;O And please...at least don't make broken with all the teleporty stuff...

Yeah, her FS could be like her Assist Trophy, or similar, but instead, used on every character and show her splitting at the beginning.

And for Specials, I'd say, have one where she teleports, let's say, sort of like Cloud's PSA? I dunno, or similar to Meta Knight's cape but with bigger range and knockback/damage? Just throwing out ideas, I'd like her to have at least one attack that'd teleport her, since it's what Lyn does most when she fights.

I hope it turns nice and balanced ._.;

Yeah, that's like having naruto without an orange n black outfit, you just can't do it D: I think she should teleport at least once, if not for anything, maybe her final smash? She could split at the start, then disappear, then a HUGE hitbox appears that cuts people several times and such.

I'm wondering if the splitting can be done without effects.
Maybe with some PSA work....

I'll think it over how it could be done.....

Dsmash is almost done.

I was thinking of having the Swordmaster crtitical animation be an influence for her UpB.

You know what's a scary coincindence?

I animated the Down Smash before I saw the .gifs and it almost perfectly matched one of them.
All she needed was a RShoulderN tweak and that was that.

Lol, seems you're connected with Lyn somehow. o_O

What animation are you thinking for Up B? I'm lost xD

Perhaps for splitting you could look on Naruto? Since he uses "clones" perhaps you could do the same for Lyn?

The clone is an article, which isn't an issue cause I can do without the boomerang and Navi.
The only thing to wonder is about the costumes and the File Size Limit.

put it inside of the fitchar00.pac and pcs file.

if link has a spare article in there.

Link does not store articles in the FitChar00.pac.

It's in the etc part of MotionEtc.pac

EY, do you know how to put the effects on Gray Fox? Because it never works when I put it on there.

I put the effect folder in the pf folder, and I put the ef_metaknight.pac in the fighter folder, and I put the ef_Finmetaknight folder in the final folder.

I don't know what the problem is.
The effects are also in FitMetaknight.pac.

I play tested Gray Fox with the effects for weeks and they work fine but I only noticed one issue:

If the assist trophy appears, the effects go away when the assist trophy does.
The solution is to reload the character when the match is over.
Renaming the ef_cyborg.pac in FitMetaknight.pac and in the effects folder causes the effects to not appear.

Are you in the PAL regions or something?

No, I am USA.

In that case, you're planning to do the Arrow thing making it an article?

The Arrow is already an article.
All I had to do was add the Sword Glow.
Now it's a matter of making the objects face the correct way.

All Aerial A Moves are done and Up B is ready to test.

Sweetness! Sorry link, but I could always have somebody port you over to Marth or someone :D

As long as many of her versions are suported on gecko os and the file patch code than <3

Clone Engine coming soon.

I'm going through an adjustment phase as I'm used to animating the old Brawlbox way.
Let's hope it ends soon.

Anyway, here are some pics of Lyn:
(http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/7057/al1011120100binout.jpg)
(http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6600/al1011120102binout.jpg)
(http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/295/al1011141829binout.jpg)
(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2787/al1011141830binout.jpg)
The last pic is of a WIP of her UpB.

I'm animating her grabs now..

Alot of people are going to like that. Keep up the good work.

Maybe this should be over Toon Link...

Looking amazing too far. o_o

Yes Yeas yesssss :D moar girlpower for brawl <3
To be honest, I would've rather had her in brawl than crappy marth again >_> *sigh* I guess nintendos biased about female heroes fighting guy heroes lol I mean the only real villains in the game are
Metaknight
Dedede
Bowser
Ganondorf

:( 

Meta Knight isn't a villain, never was. Wolf is a villain, at least, enemy of the protagonist, Fox.

Peach is also a villain, she lets herself get kidnapped so frequently it makes us wonder...

Wolf was meant to be a rival (Star FOX star WOLF @_@;; ) i think, rather than a true villain, though he does seem to save fox quite a lot.

lol at peach, she could secretly trying to get 'involved' with bowser and mario keeps getting in the way so bowser has to come up with all those hard bosses and such to keep him away long enough XD

Hey EY, I really love your Gray Fox. I recently updated to the v3xx and his hit box seems completely out of whack. Is there a fix to this? I've tried playing as both 1P and 2P but to no avail. If it helps, I use Riivolution, and am NTSC-U.

Yeah, like, I was playing Snake vs Grey Fox and my Snake could hit him from anywhere XD

Hurtboxes are only fixed in player 1. Any other Player the hurtboxes will be as they used to be.

Yeah, no wonder I never got hit. Literally. O_o stupid glitches. ruins a good battle.

This is because of the model sadly.

Until a rebuilder comes out that properly adds bones AND rebuilds models, offsets, references and such, there is nothing I can do about it.

Hey Yoshi, if i did a Samurai Jack vertex/texture over Ike would you do his psa/animations :3
Of course it'll be some time before I finish my current projects. I'm still waiting on some animation requests for dark sonic and I have to finish RuneMasterMario while I wait for those <3 Also going to make a lame attempt at making a Tabuu texture over JokeKid's spidy model :D

PS: LYN IS LOOKING ****ING AWESOME!!!! I can't even tell it's IKE anymore! @_@;;

Lyn is over Link.

Oh right, I forgot *headdesk* oh well, link has a huge filesize limit, which means AWESOME psa :D

Lyn looks amazing; great work on the animations, keep up the good work.
It'd be really awesome to see a video of your progress.. but don't feel obligated to make one if you're busy.

Try out that MGS:TTS Texture for Snake I made, and the one stage released over Final Destination that makes the area look like Otacon's office (The area where you fight Gray Fox).
It really and truley looks good together.

I also have a texture for Gray Fox that Eternal Yoshi should include in his pack, which I made using textures from MGS:TTS which replaces the bright colored Gray Fox textures.
I was also going to make a bloody and hardcore Gray Fox too.

My hurtbox glitches for Gray Fox are weird. If any attack is executed on the same horizantal line, it hurts him. It's so annoying. I hope that gets fixed soon.    

ANYONE else get the same exact hurtbox glitch?

No. And I pwn Snake all the time with Gray Fox. >.>

Lyn is looking absolutely sick, I can't wait for her.

Sick....of course she's sick, it's flue season...>_> /lame attempt to troll.

Yeah I wait for Lyn because I hardly use link anymore :D

OK. I lined up the arrow and Bow for Lyn's neutral B correctly finally.

Also USmash, Dthrow, Bthrow, Fthrow, Pummel, and Gronud Up B parameters and animations are done.

Catch and Capture animations are also done.

Making Side B Now.

Moar Pics soon.

Sounds like you're making excelent progress, should I make a video of the beta when you're through with the moveset?

Yes! Moar pictures nao.

Make a video of Lyn vs. Gray Fox. My votes on Gray Fox. Who else would be man enough not to yell in pain when you're arm gets cut off by a electronic laser? Then later gets crushed to death.

Gray Fox is pretty hard if you ask me.

She's not ready for a video yet.

How about some screenshots of those animations you said you have finished?

Hey Yoshi, if you ever find the time could you vertex marth to look like ZSS's body but with straight, long hair down to his neck? I want to make a girl marth character/psa but sadly I'm not that good at vertexing breasts XP Also if you could make him/her look like she's wearing blue jeans that'd be great ^=^
I swear I'll give credit :D

Vertexes and I don't get along as of now.

Please ask another time.

Ugh, looking pretty nice so far! Which animations are missing?

Down B stuff, Item stuff, Tripping, Down, Swimming, Ladder, Victory, Techs, Wall stuff, Dizzy and sleeping animations.

I'm doing the cliff animations and a Taunt now.

Ugh, can't wait for this to be finished!

By the way, did you go with the spinning Arrow for NB or just a normal shot?

That looks so good already and looks like she doesn't have that many animations left.

When could we expect a release?

And she is still going over Link correct?

Normal shot for now.

Yes, she goes over Link.

I plan on having an alpha release at thanksgiving day.

I was expecting Lyn to go over somone usless, like R.O.B., or Game and Watch.

But yeah, can't wait for an alpha release so I can see Gray Fox take on Lyn.
Oh, and how's my new avy?

R.O.B. isn't viable because Lyn has less bones than he does. G&W isn't viable due to hardcoded stuff in his Pacs.

So thats on Thursday?

Sounds good man ;)

finally someone came up with the idea for lyn, shes my favorite FE character xD

We don't need that xD Just joking... But when is Thanksgiving ?

There you go ;)

Does everybody know what tomorrow is? ThankLyndis day!

Lol XD.

Are you making textures for Lyn, EY?

She has simple costumes made already.

Finished reanimating the FS and modding the parameters.

Almost ready for the alpha release.

Oh you already know Songe ;)

Red Demon Lyn, Matrix Lyn.

Eternal Yoshi, I already had your permission for Gray Fox, would you mind if I do some textures for Lyn?

Sorry I didn't see this. Go ahead.

Somone should rip textures from Fire Emblem and port Lyn's textures over her, and make those her default textures, just like how I did it with Gray Fox (though I never released it)

>_<

Having issues uploading.

Mediafire's uploader isn't working today.

Megaupload says the file is currently unavailable.

And I have to leave to my grandma's for Thanksgiving dinner.

Fantastic.

Mediafire is working for me. That's weird.

4shared?
box.net?

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=13962

Using the MU link since it's working for me.

Will update with Mediafire link whenever it starts to work.

Lyn looks great! Mind telling us what her current moveset is?

Just got her about to test. Damn I'm so excited even though it's just an alpha release lol

I'm totally making a video of this!! Soon as I get access to my desktop and stuff >_>
I'm on my craptop now X_X

I think I'll make a machinima-ish version of it :af2:
Unless you want just a demo, bah, I got nothing but time I'll do both XD

Can i use Lyns model as a base for a female marth? I just need to port the model and stuff right?

Not bad man, not bad at all. It's just an alpha release after all, and so far so good.

I just beat Roy's ass with Lyn, epic as hell.

One of her winposes, looks like shes beating the meat lol no lie

lol u should totally give me ur bfc dude xD I could test my dark sonic 2.0 :D I just need to finish his up smash and specials, which I need new animations for >_>

Jeeze, why does NOBODY want to animate for sonic, even from friggin scratch?? Heck I could probably do them myself but there's other things I want to do.
Like make his new final smash <3 Wearhog(Kinda lol) anyone? :af2:

ItallionStallion, play Lyn Vs. Gray Fox.

Oh i did man trust me

Omg lemme try this! Downloading right now!

I'd like to see some works on face expression soon! It'd make her feel more lively.

EDIT: I played Lyn with my GC controller on slot 1, and ganondorf could hit me from anywhere i nthe stage, and when I tried tos elect her with my GC controller on slot 2 instead, it froze, how can I play her properly?

Very good for an Alpha (Tried her on Practice Mode) very good for an Alpha!

I don't think changing face expressions for a Assist Trophy character is possible, or is it?

It may be possible. I'll have to look at Pikazz's stuff on PAT0.

You see, The devs cut a LOT of corners on Lyn's model and textures.

For example, She has NO HaveN on her left hand which is why I had to attach items on her right hand.

While it is possible to make a seperate textures for the different facial expressions, the only issue is getting whatever PAT0 I insert to read correctly.

File size limits aren't a problem as Lyn's model has a small file size.

Also, She has only 1 bone per shoulder rather than 2, which is why she suffer the same issue as Sonic does.
If you see her right shoulder facing the wrong way, it means I didn't finfish the animation yet and as such the game will default to using Link's.



Hmm.... the PAT0 files that handle this are supposed to be in the MotionEtc.....

We may have to wait for the next modeset to properly support PAT0 files.


Link seems to already have the needed filees in the MotionEtc... Maybe it's just a matter of making another Texture and rename the references??

Yeah, and who won?
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I'm sure Project Lyndis will come out faster since you know how to use Tabuu, right Yoshi?

What IS inside Link's MotionEtc? Sword textures or shield? All I see in Snake's MotionEtc is his weapon textures and animations.
Which I find very fun to edit since you can do alot of interesting stuff with his weapons.
(LIke Eternal Yoshi's Candy Cane Mortar)

Well I played as Lyn, so of course I won. I play with Gray Fox too much lol so Lyn is my new eye candy.

Eternal Yoshi, have you made any new progress on her?

Hey yoshi, my sonic hack works fine, except for when I try to select him twice (Have player one and player two be him) is there something up? The game just freezes when I do it. Otherwise the hack is working fine.

Also, getting ready to make a video of her alpha version now, dark sonic isn't completely finished yet, so I refuse to release him. but he'll be in the video too <3

I was talking about if you have them play each other as both level 9s.

Hmm lyn seems a bit underpowered? :3 but smexeh just the same <3
Eternal Yoshi, could I have your permission to use her model as a base for the female marth character I've been thinking about making?
PS: I need to know what bone to rename to transN in the walking, running etc animations when I port it from link to marth.

This is becoming an increasingly large problem.

My Wii's laser is having serious issues reading Brawl via Gecko and Riivolution.
Strange when you consider that the Brawl disc is clean and it reads GC games just fine.

It's really hampering my testing phases of changes I make....

Maybe try popping in a DVD lense cleaner for a few minutes? :l That always seems to work for me <3

It's because the Wii has troubles reading dual-layered discs, which Brawl is one of.

Damn that sucks man, sorry to hear that.

I could test from time to time if you need me to.

Done and done ;)

Nice job on Icicle Pyramid man! That makes me miss playing DKR now.

Also, hows Lyn coming along?

I changed her nair to be a sex kick and fixed interloping issues.

I'm having issues with her DOwn B.

It's a super stubborn move almost like it's hard coded elsewhere.

A sex kick? I hope you mean a sexy kick, then again I don't.

Yeah I noticed she still has bombs, lol.

I actually kinda like the arrows on her though, will you be keeping it?

And let me just tell you, I absolutely love her Final Smash, man. Much better than Link's and love how the screen changes color.

Love your work bro ;)

The arrows will stay. The KB angle may change.

Good to hear. I know you will have a new fixed animations for her.

When could we expect a beta release?

Yeah, I'm pretty interested in this Lyndis, really hope to have her playable for when Clone Engine comes out!

[censored] I'll have her playable over Link for the meantime lol I don't give a damn.

Eternal, please give me support on this like how you gave support on Snake Custom taunts
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=17201.msg298343#msg298343

This PSA is awesome, but here are some glitches I noticed you didn't list anwhere:

-If an item, such as a Gooey Bomb or a C4, attaches itself to Gray Fox, this weird shadow-like line will connect from the ground to Gray Fox and follow wherever he goes while still connected to the ground until the item comes off. Also, albeit only really a problem on Mewtwo's Ganon's Tower stage, the same instance causes Gray Fox to appear way off the top of the screen in a bubble, shifts back to the ground, then repeat but extremely fast. It does this until the attached item is off.

-He doesn't hold items like crates or the firecracker launcher right. He doesn't tilt the firecracker launcher in the direction you tilt the joy-stick -- it stays perfectly straight even when the firecrackers are launched straight up.

-Sometimes Gray Fox can be hurt no matter where he is on the screen. It's like your character's hitbox is the entire screen.

That's the model's fault. Unless you can find a way to load the unedited model or FULLY rebuild mdl0's the right way, there's nothing I can do.

Oh ok.

Agreed! ;D Lyn is sexy! I kicked Sephiroth's butt with her, and Cloud's! The arrows should stay, but maybe give her a better, bigger bow? If Down B can be fixed, hopefully a counter like all the other Fire Emblem characters? So far she is awesome, and still, as an Alpha, will be my Link replacement :3

any news? hows progress?

is this project still alive? o.o

I hope so.

cmooon it has too. everyone needs lyn in brawl DX

It is alive, just dormant.

I've been making a few new animations for Lyn and Gray Fox.

I've been waiting for the Mdl0 file format to be totally defined so I can rebuild the bone structure to include enough bones without glitches.

Also, all of my attempts to tweak the moveset files to load the unedited models of Gray Fox and Lyn have all ended with the following sound effect when a stage is chosen:
BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEE

Oooo that sucks... Take your time bro ^_^

I f*cking hate that sound. Good luck with everything bro.

The loud beep of death scares the living crap out of me.
:(

Somtimes, when I'm playing the game regularly or I'm at the CSS, everything is fine. Then suddenly: BEEEEEEEEEP!
Why does it make that noise, anyways? Iv'e noticed when MKWii crashes it makes a silent beep. Silent, but deadly.

Don't know. A common rule of thumb: Avoid using SSE codes when using VS mode. I learned that when I left on the old Super Fox SSE code.

A quick update:

Edit I don't know where the hell to put this so it's going here.

I learned a better way to put in wall jumps.

First you need to put this in subaction JumpF

Now remember the offset of the subaction and make a go to command in the following subactions:
 
JumpF
JumpB
JumpAerialF(For Multi Jumpers, be sure to include JumpAerialF2,F3, etc.)
JumpAerialB
Fall
FallF
FallB
FallAerial
FallAeriaF
FallAerialB
PassiveWallJump

The last one is important for smooth wall jumping.

Don't worry about abuse, the vertical velocity automatically decreases a bit when used consecutively like a normal wall jump would.

This allows for scar jumping and a more natural feeling wall jump, akin somewhat to Melee.

I put this on Gray Fox and it's working.

Thanks goes to  KingJigglypuff for the coding in Char which gave me much of the code and the inspiration to change it for better wall jumping.

To clarify: the old method required a spare action.
Maybe they didn't know the correct action for the wall jump.
This method does not.

Also, Lyn's new dash attack animation and parameters are done.
Her arrows are a bit weaker but go faster and by extension, farther.

Hey eternal, do you think you could help me with my Din? The psa is over wolf but the model is ZSS's, and it keeps freezing when I try to grab someone :l

Wel now it's to where I can grab and miss-grab, but when I sucsessfully grab someone it freezes :s

Weird.
Did you modify the grab actions/subactions in any way yet?

If not, it may have to do with the character having special needs for their grabs, Like Yoshi.

Well, I'm using ZSS's motion etc (because fixing ALL of wolfs animations for the model is a pain in the ass) so that may be part of it.

Should I just re-code the grab and pummels from scratch so they're like ZSS's? I think it's cause of the "go to" action being a different than ZSS's in the grab?

You may have to. Also check the location of the ThrowN.

K, thanks for the tips. I'm going to see if the thrown N is on the same id as wolfs, then fix it in tabuu if it isnt?

Yes. Also double check the animation to see if the ThrowN is in the correct place.

Lyn? Is that you?

No.

DX

Alright eternal, I opened wolf's .pac and his new model in the file, then I loaded ZSS's .pac and model in the file as well. I changed wolf's Thrown N and HaveL to the SAME bone index of ZSS's.(Because wolf's "model" is now technically ZSS's in the costume file) That should fix the freezing problem right?

If you used Tabuu to do so and checked the animation, then it should.

K I just checked the animation and it was way off, so I'm just gonna export and replace the animations then recode the catch collisions to look like ZSS's manually.

An update.

Lyn's counter is working now.
Also the bombs are gone.

The down special needs a few balance tweaks is all.

Awesome, that means I could possibly use either Lyn or cloud in the machinima I'm working on. (depends on who's psa  gets finished first)

For your next(psa) hack I have a few suggestions if you'd like XP

Banjo & Kazoie (Over mario): Mainly because there's an OMGGGGGGG level of epicness hack of him over mario.  There are tons of moves in the series, but I sugest that you use the first game as reference. As those moves are fairly easy to recreate in brawl.  The texture is so damn acurate it looks like an import, AND they even turned FLUDD into Kazoie! (I forget who did the hack, but you can find it yourself... XP)

Boba Fet(over snake): An epic texture, from Asyfer I think over snake. He pretty much demands a PSA. If you need reference. Try watching the latter half of the "Kimino" part in the third star wars movie. (I mean the third in the series, not the third to be made, which is episode VI I believe)

Eh, those are just ideas though.

After you're done with Lyn and everything, could you maybe lend me a hand on a couple of psa's I'm working on? I'll pm you the details if you're interested, but mostly it's JUST animation and coding work I need help with =3 (Coding work as in how to do the actual code X_X) I'll add you as a colaborator in the psa and shadowsnake too since he's working on a starfox Adventures Krystal

YAY! A V2 Beta! Can't Wait ^-^

OK.

I'm not taking suggestions at this time.

The reason updates are sluggish are because I'm trying to get the models working bug-free.
I got the original bones linked correctly so now I'm trying to get the new bones properly
linked, even though they don't do anything.

I was expecting the Mdl0 converter and/or the Bone tree editor update that adds properly linked bones, but they still aren't here.

I've been making stages while I was waiting.

Meanwhile, Gray Fox and Lyn have been updates here and there.

Gray Fox has new fair, ftilt1, and ftilt2 animations and hitboxes, can wall jump, and will get a new Final Smash soon.

Lyn has her new dash attack finished, Her arrows tweaked, Down B counter working, and aerial attack hitboxes tweaked.

When I totally fix the models, I will release Gray Fox V0.4 and Lyn V0.2.

I should really link this to the OP.

OK. While I wait for the Mdl0 converter/Bone editor update to come here, I'm making this.

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/1354/al1102202107binout.jpg) (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/al1102202107binout.jpg/)

A moveset? or making him taller?

Both. PSA AND animations.

Moar Pics:

(http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/4195/al1102202106binout.jpg) (http://img543.imageshack.us/i/al1102202106binout.jpg/)

(http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/8696/al1102202104binout.jpg) (http://img594.imageshack.us/i/al1102202104binout.jpg/)

Yay, Megaman.
I like what I see so far.

Eternal D:
Don't abandon lyn!! T-T
lol

But chibi megaman sounds awesome :D
Are you going to employ the other enemies from megaman (Rock Man, Ice Man, etc?) into it?

Um, I know you don't do request, but uh...I fail at anim porting. *sigh* I just need some anims for my Krystal psa. Just the Ground A's, down smash, A combo, and specials. Could u do these if they were easy enough? They're over fox.

Megaman isn't chibi, and I didn't abondon Lyn or Gray Fox.
Just read the big post linked in the OP.

I'm just doing this for the time to improve my BB animating skills.
Anyway, I finished animating all his A moves and Neutral B.

The robot master powers (I don't know which) will be incorporated when I can solve this issue with the UpB hadouken.

For some reason, the action and subaction does not want to move him despite the fact that the moves character flag is checked and the animation moves the TransN quite a bit.

I'm using the Set/Add momentum command for the time being, and it works fine unless you try to use the move to cancel hitstun....

I never had this issue with the other character's UpB as they listened to the TransN being moved......

I think I can help you with your hitstun movement problem.
http://opensa.dantarion.com/wiki/Variables#LA
LA Bit 57 is Momentum force, which forces momentum even on hitstun.

Well, if you really wanna improve your animating skills, maybe open up a request thread?

That and I could use a hand with my krystal psa X_X I mean it's not like I've never tried animating b4, but...*sigh* I just can't get into it.

Yes it did the trick and works perfectly.
Thanks.

Now on to the Mega Buster article for the Neutral B.

And the grab and throw animations.

OK. The Catch and Capture animations are done as well as Dthrow and Bthrow.

Now to figure out the GFX for his Entry....

Done!

Now for Taunts/Victory poses.

Is the Megaman your doing a whole new PSA or a continuing of a already existing Megaman PSA?

It's a new PSA.
From scratch.

Nice.
Hope it gets released soon.

BTW, it is over Ness, right?

Yes it is over Ness.

Megaman huh?
I need a Ness PSA. Good luck EY ;)

You should make a Big Boss Moveset for Snake next, or you can port Snake's model over somone else and give THAT character a Big Boss moveset with a knife.

Did you make that Mega Man model and texture?

KTH did the base model and base textures I retanslated the model to fit the normal Mega Man size.

I made alt. colors.

I'll make Big Boss another time after I finish this.

Someone mentioned the REFT influences colors of external GFX. How is that done again?

By the way, EVA still isn't working. I'm getting Exception DSI occur messages when trying to load the game. I think all my glitches are from all the way my Snake textures are arranged. I have no time to fix this because of work and school...

I need to fix the MGS pack glitches.

Eternal, shortly after you told me to fix the Palette issue on EVA, I put it in game and tested it. Still had glitchy colors. After trying to fix the PCS file, the Exception DSI occured message occured as I said before. Any reasons why? 

Exception DSI messages are because of byte count errors from codes such as the custom SSS, custom CSS, ASL, and so on.

Errors with textures/vertexes/models cannot cause exception messages.

Now about the REFT editor....

This makes so mush sense! every time I try to use the Alternate Stage Loader code, it gives me that error lol. That clears it up, thank you! ^_^

ASL works fine. But if you miscount the bytes in the stage data, it will give you an exception message.

? Explain please? lol

If your math is wrong when filling in the variables of certain codes, the game will freeze.
For ASL, you must add the stage data line count right or else the game will freeze.

(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/641/al1102222118binout.jpg) (http://img132.imageshack.us/i/al1102222118binout.jpg/)

BTW, I got the GFX for the fully charged mega buster, but it's not the color I wanted.
This was done by editing MiscData[1] with TSG's program.

Anyway, more pics.
(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3378/al1102220024binout.jpg) (http://img411.imageshack.us/i/al1102220024binout.jpg/)

(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8108/al1102220021binout.jpg) (http://img51.imageshack.us/i/al1102220021binout.jpg/)

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9436/al1102202109binout.jpg) (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/al1102202109binout.jpg/)

It still looks nice that color. And I used to use the code before, it just suddenly stopped working.

(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l502/Link1213/regular.png)
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l502/Link1213/red.png)
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l502/Link1213/grey.png)
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l502/Link1213/green.png)
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l502/Link1213/blue.png)
(http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l502/Link1213/black.png)

made some recolors for megaman. It looks good so far. keep up the good work.

Alright now it's starting to catch my attention, very nice EternalYoshi.

You even did the animation where he kicks both legs up. Isn't that from Marvel vs Capcom?

Also, what stage is that? :>.>:

It's a simple port from Castlevania Judgement's Castle front area.

Hey Yoshi, can you tell me how to replicate CF's Side Special, how he grabs opponents and attacks them at the end?

I know part of it is a catch colission but is there anything else I should do? (like If Hitbox connects etc?)

OK. You gotta use a Special Offensive collision.
Gimme a moment to pull it up.....

OK.

Asynchronous Timer = Whatever you want
Special Offensive Collision
Special Offensive Collision
Set Loop: ??? Times
If: 3D Hitbox has connected
     Change Subaction: Connected subaction, pass frame = false
     End If
     Asynchronous timer = Whatever
Execute Loop
Asynchronous Timer = Whatever
Terminate Collisions

Tankies ^+^

I really want to make a crazy character for this one, so a forward-moving side B go into the back throw would really twist things up.

How do I use special offensive collisions exactly other than that? Every time I try to use one the hitbox doesn't connect at all. :l

You need to make the size big enough to determine the range. The SOC should be in the lunge subaction.

The first part as the SOC determines the range of the"grab".

The seccond part should have the hitboxes.

In the meantime I have more actions and subactions than I though I had.
I need an Idea for the Final Smash.

So do you guys have any?

How about a copy ability?
Like you give him a sorta Kirby-hat thing and he uses a weakened version of (some) final smashes?

So a SOC is mainly for grabs? But I've seen it in stuff like fox's side B and Peaches Down Smash :l hmm...odd..

Are you gonna make his dash attack his slide ? That could work nicely.

SOC is for many things.

In certain specials it can be used to determine the range of the "grab" needed to change actions upon connecting.

In others, it can be used to make hitboxes do strange things like freezing the victim like in MK's FS, or attacking foes while in capture state without breaking the grab.

The dash attack is already his slide. And he can slide off ledges with it unlike most dash attacks.
I MIGHT make it cancellable by tapping the opposite direction 20 or so frames in the move, but maybe not.

Hey, I noticed that Ness has a dummied out article slot.....

I wonder if I can use this....

Who knows, people have managed to use the unused on/off animations for fox n co's blasters.

I used to have all of those except ASL, but I don't use them anymore. Oh, and I have all the stage reset codes (Such as the Luigi Mansion freeze.).
I applied them all and turned them off.

Yet again, I get DSI Occured Messages randomly.

..........Give me your current code list.

If it's not a currently running code, you may only have 1 option.

REMAKE YOUR GCT

If you use ASL, you can't have a stage with .rel's (at least, I think you can't...)

No, you can use them, you just have to make your own using FD-based .rels

My apologies for the lack of updates today.

I was messing around with Phantom Wings' recent work.

I plan on using Mega Man's Down B to switch between powers and and Forward B for the robot master powers.

The Powers I'm thinking about using is dependent on whether I can use the other article slots.

I'm thinking:
Gemini Laser(Fox's laser recolored and over the Yoyo string seems good, but we'll see)
Fire Storm
Thunder Bolt
Blizzard attack

These are the 4 I'm planning.

By looking at the other PSA, I see 3 La-Bits that can help me with this.
I need one more for this.

I'm still taking ideas for the final smash, provided it can be done without .rel editing.....

I have once question.

Why do they have to be long-range weapons, and...Why Gemini Laser? Despite it being good for a normal Robot Master Power, it seems a bit...random...

EDIT: While it's your PSA, I want to give my further two cents.

Gemini Laser sounds like a good idea, but the other three seem to make the assortment of Weapons bland. You're basically making an Elemental Mega Man in terms of his RMWs'.

I personally think you should consider doing other weapons.

For example.

Flash Stopper (Only slows down time for a short time)
Slash Claw
Top Spin

They may all be non-elemental, but they give Mega Man a big variety of moves to work with, each that work differently. You could do the same with the others, but the fact remains.

I think another element of Mega Man's gameplay should be that the weapons can be used only a certain number of times before Mega Man needs to switch them.

Thanks for the input.
Flash stopper sounds like it'll be a challenge to balance though.....
I'll take the challenge.
I'm gonna do one power at a time.
First top spin.

Then Gemini laser.

OK. La-Bits[100] - [106] seem to be working in the same way, and great.
Strange...

OK I'm using these variables to switch between the powers.
I only have 2 powers in queue and the balancing phase, Top Spin, and Flash Stopper.

I programmed flash stopper so that it can only be used once until you switch powers and switch back.
If you use it again, it will play a buzzer sound.
I want the power to only be used once a stock, but there is no subaction for Dead...

Top spin works OK. For some reason, I can't get it to not modify the gravity.
Even if I nop the commands that do affect it, it still disables vertical gravity for a while.
Basically, for the duration of Top Spin, Mega Man will move at the vertical speed he was when he executed the move.
So If he does this at the start of the jump, he will get extra height...

PK Thunder's article slot isn't working right......

Time will tell if the other La-bits will work the same way.....

Slash Claw is currently functional.

EternalYoshi, you should work on rels for Metaknight and Link, now that PW came out with the rel porter recently, that you know about.

I know what you mean....
I'll do it after the beta release of Mega Man.

Which judging by my progress, should be out on Wednesday.

Yes, an edited Link .rel would be very nice for the Zero moveset :P

Well I want two. One for Zero and another one for Lyn. Even the beta, is fully enough playable, and also he said that he's been working on Lyn more anyway.

Also, let's not forget about Metaknight/Grayfox.

OK. A brief progress report.

Animations for miscellaneous stuff like things based around tripping, tumble, down and get up, ledge stuff, and Swimming are done.

All that remains animation wise are items related animations, Final smash, and a taunt.

I didn't change the Final Smash yet, but PK Starstorm still works.

Item related animations are almost finished.

If I get the chance, I may be able to use the PK Flash resources to replicate Black Hole Bomb.

Galaxy Man's Black Hole Bomb?

Yes that weapon.
That's in the maybe section though.
I'm still fighting the file size limit of the MotionEtc file so I may not be able to animate that.

That's f*cking epic then man.

Hopefully it won't go over the file size limit.

Are there any unnecesary animations and/or key frames that can be removed?  You can always try to clean the MotionEtc.PAC in Brawlbox 6.2b if worse comes to worse.

I did clean the animations.
The problem is that I'm reluctant about removing keyframes because interlopating is a cruel mistress.

Interpolation, I found, is easier to deal with than once thought.

When you look at an interpolation spike, you can reduce the severity of the spike doing the following.

By comparing the value the last keyframe started with to the value of the next keyframe. I.E.:

keyframev1 - keyframev2 = difference.

Now you have an idea how much the spike increased or decreased the value. This is especially true for Modset 4.1 which I used for the animations on Zero (I use v0.62b for cleaning the animations of the keyframes that 4.1 can't clean up).

The next thing you need to know is that the value that gives you the same result visually on the second keyframe is somewhere between the values of keyframev1 and keyframev2. This becomes a process of trial and error, trying to find the same result using values greater than or less than keyframev1.

On v0.63d, this mostly deals with frames that are between your absolute keyframes. The thing to know is this.

More frames between keyframes = higher interpolation spikes.

The best way to deal with this is to find the frame where the spike is at it's highest, and place a keyframe there to rotate the bone where you want to be as a limiter, to keep it from spiking so high. This method has it's limits, but it can be generally applied for interpolated animations.

OK. I managed to lower the file size.
Thanks.

Cruel mistresses are usually the best in bed.

I agree lol.

But they're an ass everywhere else, where's the fun in that XP

Maybe, a MegaMan stage would be good with the hack itself. Maybe have it replace 75M..

^^Noted.

I recreated PK Flash perfectly over one of Forward B's powers so now it's time for the fun part.

Finding the Proper External GFX and changing the hitboxes.

Edit: I got the PERFECT External GFX for it. Images do NOT do the effects justice.

Looks to me like Mega Man will be the first PSA Beta I have ever used...Once I get Brawl+ Again.

Nice job man!


Damn it!

Maybe, this would be somthing good. Just edit out Megaman, of course. I'd be simple to just turn that image into a 2D stage itself. It would be cool to replace the spikes with a pit of nothingness.

I'm almost done with the character's beta release. Only a few minor adjustments left.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=17180
The beta is out. Do be aware that the FS has not been modified.
It's still PK starstorm and it still works.

Talking less about the PSA for the moment (I'm not at home so no Brawl + and stuff) and more about the model. I think we need a new Mega Man vertex on Ness. I looked at the pics in BVault, and I think the model doesn't do the PSA justice.

This is for Mega Man.





Credit to Link1213 for the CSPs.

DL Link:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=17180 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=17180)

Heya, um, I want an action to loop once and only once per use (IE: it automatically loops without you pressing X button a second time) would I put it up like this? It's for mecha luigi's up air.

Asynch timer: blah
hitboxes and stuff
Asynch timer: blah
Terminate collisions:
If: Animation Ends:
Synchronous timer: 1
Set Loop: 1
Change Subaction: *same subaction*
Execute Loop:
?

Awesome.

I have a suggestion for the final smash.
Maybe make it Samus's. It seems like it could work.

the neutral b can be used to spam someone off the stage and i think it has way too wide a range
But i still love the hack

Great work EY!  I had a little tinker with it in practice mode and I'm liking it so far.  I'll play with it some more against some CPUs tomorrow then give feedback.

Oh and you were so right about the Black Hole Bomb.  That move is smexy!

DUH NUUUUUUH!!!

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/zackwinzard/MM.jpg)

THis looks very promising, I'll definitely try it out. I always wanted Mega Man in Brawl :3

Also the Final Smash should be Astro Crush. You know, the move from 8 where he makes meteors drop down from the sk--

...Oh wait...

LOL
Duh, just use pk star storm :D

Don't explain the joke.

thatsthejoke.jpg

Personally, looking at the pictures. Here is my assessment of some moves animation-wise.

For the ones where he kicks, he mainly stretches it from the knee forward. A better way to do it would be to increase the length of all three leg-related bones that of his right leg and make them thinner. A perfect example of this use of the Size modifier in an attack animation is Falco's and Fox's F-Tilts, when they kick out, the both the bone translations and the size modifiers change to make the leg look like it's stretching in order to give it the reach it has.

Just one of the things I think you should consider animation-wise before the final version (when we get there)

Meanwhile. I'll grab Brawl and configure it for the HBC, and then DL this to give it a play or two.

You mean the Fsmash?

Noted.

There are other moves that have this. Such as his U-Tilt.

Also, I just playtested the wrong.pac. I'll give you feedback as soon as I am done using the right one.

Also. What's with all the differently named FitMotions?


EDIT:

Okay, here I will give my full impression of the Mega Man PSA as it stands. I'll do this in sections. Note I am giving my full honesty with this.

Animations: Animation-wise (and by that I mean the animations of Ness Mega) are, in my honest opinion. Not very impressive. The Wait1 has Megs face a bit toward the screen and the player. I get the impression you were going to a Wait1 similar to the Mega Man 7, Power Battles, etc, idle animations. The pose isn't dynamic enough in that regard, and I think it needs further refinement.

There are tons of animations I think need further refinement. So I'll do it in order.

Run: Mega Man is too stiff when he's running, he may be a robot, but he moves more similarly to a human, suggest adding more dynamic motion to his body as he runs if possible.

Jab: I think a custom punching animation would do some good here, but on the kick, Mega's leg stretches. I think it would be wise to take a cue from his F-Tilt and use that as an example for all animations involving a kick. Also, I think Mega should kick a little higher (not too much, but higher) as well.

D-Tilt: I didn't find myself using this much, so no comment.

U-tilt: I think a custom animation similar to Mario's U-Tilt will do some good here.

Dash Attack: The animation is fantastic, no changes needed.

F-Smash: Same as the second Jab, he stretches his leg, refer to his current F-Tilt like I said for the Jab.

D-Smash: I think this would look better if Mega was firing his buster at the ground.

U-Smash: It's a bit slow looking, and stiff, needs more dynamic motion in the second part of the animation (the kick).

Top Spin: Despite it's accuracy to the original sprite, it needs a more dynamic feel to it.

Flash Stopper: No change.

Slash Claw: Looks okay in the air, needs a bit of refinement on the grounded one.

Black Hole Bomb: No change.

Down B: I don't think he needs to move during this animation, consider making him not move and just flash a color?

Nair: Once again, too stiff.

F-air: Same as the U-Tilt: could use more dynamic movement.

U-Air: Same as F-Smash and Jab, leg stretches from the knee too much.

B-Air: Once again, too stiff.

D-Air: No comment.

Throws: A lot of the throws, especially the F, U, and B, throws could use more distinctive animations.

Effects: Effects are superb, excellent work.

Now let me get to the more important part of the critique.

Gameplay: There are a lot of things I think could be improved on Mega, a great many things, but let me get the bigger nuances out of the way before I get to the smaller ones. I'm not big on the metagame, so this will mostly be about move functionality.

Flash Stopper lasts only about 2-3 seconds on my count. I would suggest increasing it's effect by one second.

Top Spin has too little mobility. In the games, Mega Man can move left and right while using Top Spin, but the move lacks this. It's like you give him the Luigi Tornado, but took away the mobility.

Black Hole Bomb I think could benefit if it were somehow not launched the same as PK Pulse, maybe launch it from the end of the buster arm?

Slash Claw on the ground has some lag, I think this needs to be lessened slightly, cause it would be too easy to dodge otherwise on the ground.

U-Smash comes out too slowly, and would benefit from having the animation being sped up a little.

F-Smash has quite a bit of reach, I would suggest lessening the range just a tad.

U-Tilt could use more horizontal range.

F-Tilt I think should be a new move entirely. What exactly? I dunno, but something else..

U-Air also has too much reach. Consider bringing it down a little?

Dash Attack is cool, and I personally don't think it needs any changes.

B-air is a little hard to hit with.

The Mega Buster I think should have one more shot in addition to the two shot burst, and the ability to move around would be nice if it's at all possible.

Mega Man himself however, slides too much, and I think he needs to be a little more floaty than this, but not by much.

That's my two cents. I'm no good at in-depth gameplay critiques, so I'll leave it to someone who knows their stuff when it comes to relatively-balanced PSAs.

All noted. I caught a glitch that occurs when he tries to grab certain ledges due to the TransN key frame.
I fixed it.

The motions were accidentally left in as I copy-pasta'd the folder on my SD card. The normal named one is meant to be used.

The one labled GOOD is basically the file size limit of the motion file.

Fun fact: The External GFX effect used in his UpB is actually an unused effect from Ness' files.

USmash - Yoyo
PSA:
112D8 - Up Smash Start Hitbox (AMKalmar)
11458 - Up Smash Release Hitbox (AMKalmar)

Dsmash - Yoyo
PSA:
11568 - Down Smash Start Hitbox (AMKalmar)
11648 - Down Smash Release Hitbox (AMKalmar)

Smashboards. =]

Thanks. The Yo-yo MUST be present during the attacks or the game will fre......

Hey, what does Ra-bit[1] do?

Why not just go Generate Artical and Use the artical visiblity to make the yoyo invisible? :l

That's what I 've been doing.
Prevents crashes, but cannot be charged.

BTW, Ra-Bit[1]... I don't know what it does, but it doesn't seem to do anything when put in the start of the Usmash or Dsmash.

OK. Setting Variable 18 to true in the Top Spin action/Subaction isn't working, so I came up with a ghetto fix for being able to move horizontally while in top spin.

Add Momentum ftw?

Yes.

Time to see what the floating points of the PK Flash article do.

Is that how you made the Neutral B full charged shot? Did you use one of Ness' old projectiles, edit the graphics, hitbox and floating points and came up with that?  Because that definitely is not a ThrowN projectile. 

I found a pretty nasty combo glitch... Although you probably already know this one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DumLkbDK6Q
At 0:51... I think it explains itself.

The charged shot was made from PK fire.
Yes, I edited the GFX hitboxes, float points, external GFX file, etc. to make it.
I defined the PK fire float points previously, so it was simple to rearrange it to behave like the Charged shot would.

For reasons unknown, the PK flash hitbox is very specific about what it will work with and what it won't.

Projectile articles's starting locations tend to be controlled by floating points.

Also, :51 is the beauty of Brawl's electric hitlag when slowed down. I changed the element of the kick already to reduce the hitlag.

How does Avatar Ness work then?

That Gray Fox is amazing...
Well done!

ehh...you're a tad late.

When the ?s are satisfied and done on the changelist, I will release V4 of Gray Fox.

Anyway, Avatar Ness didn't seem to change the animation of the Windup and charge animations of Dsmash and USmash.....

I'm quite impressed.

Once it's done, I'll download the full thing!

I'm still working the BG. In the meantime, this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA678_FU1lw

Did I see you added more mobility to Top Spin?

Excuse me, EY, but there are like a bunch on Motion pacs. Which one am I supposed to choose?

Choose the one that is normally-named, that's the current one (Just thought I'd respond if you hadn't already figured it out yourself (which, knowing what I know of you, you probably have.))

The Side-B keeps locking Mega Man in his T-Stance (I think that's the term) until he gets hit extremely hard. Am I doing something wrong? Also: if there's an updated Version already (I can't seem to find it if there is), the download link would be most helpful, Thanks.

You're probably using the wrong FitNessMotionEtc.pac.  Use the one that's simply called FitNessMotionEtc.pac

That Worked, Thanks

Oh no...it's the "Comming soon" hype up again XP
lol kidding...line is getting old though :D

I know. But even though I update as much as VG cats does, I'm more consistent than 3D realms.

Also, the longer I wait for a solution to my issue, the more polish the movesets of Gray Fox and Lyn recieve. Yesterday I finished Gray Fox's new dair(I have pics in the OP).

hi guys,i'm new to this forum and i'm very impressed your work here,Yoshi,especialy Gray Fox add-on!I have some questions i want to ask you,Is that OK?

1.Can you replace Gray Fox emblem in Brawl??like a Fox Hound patch or something,just like Snake have Fox logo...
2.ah..Gray Fox's plasma gun is not correct..you see..in MGS his gun is look more badass....can you retexture it??
3.Can you replace Fox's current voice with his voice from MGS??
4.Do you have an email???share with me??i want to make friend with every MGS 'fans^^

1. Yes, you can do that yourself. common5.pac
3. Yes, but someone has to rip sfx out of other games.

Edit: Duuuude, lovin' Planet's Core. It' my fav stage now, Idk just something about it that just makes wanna keep playing on it. It's different, I love the colors, the platforms, that box thing, it's perfect! :D

1. That requirees changing the IC-Constants. Retxturing it messes with Kirby and D3..... so yeah. I'm gonna get a code for that.
2. If I get a detailed model of the Armgun I will. As of now, think of it as a censor, like with Fox and Falco's Laser blasters.
3. I haven't updated the SFX pack in a while.
Considering something that's about to happen, I'm gonna wait for the event to pass before I do so. This way, I don't have to deal with those stupid length limits.

P.S. Trolling with OP titles is fun!

P.S.S. I have all of Gray Fox's audio files from the US release of Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid: VR Missions for the PSX.

ah...can you make some more video about Gray Fox????those two clips so far is not very pretty quality.....

Hey eternal, which download is the latest one? I could record a video for Gray Fox in 1080P HD if you want.

Just need to know who he's over and if he needs certain extra files or not.

The last DL was 3XX, but that version is really outdated, and not the one shown in videos.

Also,

^Should that be V0.4? ^_^"

Yes.

10 Yesses

K :laugh: Also *HONK* :P

*Honks for Grayfox*

I'll get this girl next to me to flash her tits if you update Lyndis.

*Honks for Mega Man.*

What? I made suggestions to him. >.>;

*honks for lyn* TT.TT

*honks for lyn and again for gray fox*

The thread name. Read it.
Also cleaning up the motion file.
Check back next week.
I WILL BE OFFLINE ON APRIL FIRST.

I'm loving Gray Fox right now ^_^ can't wait for the new Lyn update.

OK. After snooping through PM Lucas, I learned how a certain variable worked so I made Flash stopper last longer, but it's only usable once per stock(To prevent spam and abuse).
Mega man update will come after Lyn's.

Back to tweaking Lyn.
Her arrows are faster now, but the gravity is higher on them(they fall faster).

Lynn??? She's almost done?

I'm totally trying out the next beta.
Granted, I don't usually like equipment-based fighters (other than link) but yeah, I might check her out.

Also Blackjacks said they're "pretty damn close" to finishing the model converter thing, Just don't expect it any time soon.

Im hearing great thinks about the Megaman moveset. but is the vertex gonna be updated along with the v2 moveset?

I didn't make the vertex so ask the makers of the vertex.

I believe KTH made that vertex.

Well GameWatching started it but KTH finished it.

You're on the right track though.

The OP. Read it again.

Once again, I'll be offline April 1st.

Hey, can mind if I make you some new CSP's to use for Gray Fox?

If you want to go ahead.

About those animation suggestions.

Is it true from what I have heard that you have a ft_marth.rel compatble with JigglyPuff?

I've been playing around with External GFX.
(http://i.imgur.com/4vcTL.jpg)

Lyn's too, but no pix.

Ooh, purty!

Cool [censored] man.



Bad [censored] man.

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=13962

Poyo.

...Poyo indeed.
Gonna try out later..

^this...
Epicness =3

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=301220

If this holds true, Lyn and Gray Fox will get updated again.

Full of f*cking win.

I'll keep an eye on that.

I did a rough and dirty test.

I got good news and bad news.

Good news is that this does remove the hurtbox issue and all issues associated with the extra bones such as the C4 and Homing attack nonsense.

Bad news is that doing this is a complex, lenghty, tedious, and lengthy process.

Come back tomorrow.

[KirbyVoice] Hiiiiiiiii.[/KirbyVoice]

This took way too long to do.

Lyn coming after I wake up since once again, I have to rebuild the hurtbox hiearchy, binary values and flags and such.

STOP CAMPING JUST SO YOU CAN DO THAT ANNOYING ASS TAUNT!!! >=D

can't wait til lyn is finished. We need more hotness in brawl XD

maybe you could take a look at links .rel and see if you can get it to work with the clone engine >=D

:srs:

To make MegaMan's smashes chargeable, try making the yo-yo models invisible and have no ability to hit anything and re-apply the yo-yo article to the attacks. Idk if this will work :P

It doesn't. It DOES prevent freezing though so w/e.
It seems that the C4/Homing attack/Ladder/Pikmin bugs were also fixed too....

Lyn's going to take longer since she has more hurtboxes to adjust from scratch.
I plan on finishing before Noon EST.
Stay tuned.

Hurtboxes finally fixed?

:af2:

The only thing that I found wrong in Gray Fox is that his U-throw sound effect is a bit late... He fights perfectly! Its amazing o_o; At first I was kinda sad that he was over metaknight so kirby wouldn't have him to fight anymore but after giving the latest release a try I say SCRU METAKNIGHT!!! Gray Fox isn't just an epic assist anymore! He's an epic character =O I wonder if there will ever be a metaknight assist trophy over Gray Fox... Lol well if the clone engine is ever perfected and I can have them both I'd cry tears of joy =D Can't wait for Lyn ^_^

The Uthrow will be replaced in the next version, but for reasons unknown, the ground shaking is stubborn.

Lyn's hurtbox repair is done BTW, check the BV link.
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=13962

I'm glad to see Gray Fox is working well, although I thought I should inform you of a possible glitch possibly related to Lyn. After using her in a battle I played as megaman and his animations went back to Ness' default one. I tested this out a few more times with the same result and ended up deleting Lyn only to find out that it Megaman went back to normal. Sorry about the block of text, just thought you should know.

Whenever I play Lyn she plays awesome but when choosing another character, the game freezes. D:

Strange...

Doesn't happen with Gray Fox or Mega Man.

For the time being, just leave the CSS instead of deselecting Lyn.

I'll look into it more.


Odd............

First, check to see if you are using the updated MotionEtc.

Lyn doesn't have to do with it.

What you're experiencing is a unique SD Card related issue, like the one I had when PM's Skyworld was all black and a BRSTM was playing another song.

Check your SD card, copy EVERYTHING to your desktop, format, and paste the backup in the SD card.
Problem solved.

Oddly enough, Gray Fox works perfectly in SSE....

I put back Metaknight back on my Brawlz since I missed him and all. Of course, backed up a copy of Gray Fox just in case I missed him instead.

I was gonna wait for the Clone Engine to be done, or a Metaknight rel so Gray Fox can be ported over another character, but ignore all of the above.

This version 4 sounds very tempting and looks really good. I had V3, and I never had any problems with it at all, so more of a reason to put him back.

Downloading the files as we speak, will be back with feedback later.

It's great dude. Trust me.

Strange.

Apparently the projectile reflecting on Gray Fox works on Fsmash, Up B startup, and dtilt...

Sorry for disturbing your discussion.

Do you have plans to update Megaman?
I can't use Lyn because I have Zwro instead of Link and Grey Fox is already good. Megaman is the most interesting project for me.

Is someone porting Lyn over Olimar/R.O.B./Joshi/Olimar/Game and Watch?

Yes I will update Megaman soon. There's not much to update him on atm other than SSE attributes and balance(and polising a few animations).

Trying to change the hitboxes of PK Flash/Black Hole Bomb resulted in a freeze.

I'm also babysitting my niece in my sister's house, away from my wii.

As a Metal Gear fanatic, I must say this thread warms my heart.  :af2:

This is just me being a nitpick but, why do Lyn, Gray Fox and Megaman all have the same air A move?

Sex kicks are common, especially when 10 out of 12 characters in SSB64 had them.

Your projects are so cool!!!
If you have Lyn done, can you start a finished Waluigi?
There is one over Red Alloy and one over Toon Link but both are not finished.
If you say "We need Waluigi" can you port it over a character who have his one icons? - like Yoshi?

Agreed. Many people love waluigi (including me), and you have the skills to do it. You would make so many people happy :)

Read the Title.

The Wii has given up the ghost on reading Brawl for real this time.

Oh no, thats horrible!!!
We need Waluigi  :af2:
Do you realy want to port lyn over Link?
It will be great over Mr. Game and Watch or ROB or Yoshi

The freezing issue MIGHT be a link thing(maybe a different "method" that causes this) that may be resolved by using Tink instead, but that will have to wait until further notice.

As of now, if the Waluigi over Toon Link maker hands over the latest build, I can fix the hurtboxes for them.

This sounds awesome but there are some glitches more.
He can´t hold items (I think big ans small)
And he has the grabglitch I think.
Can you Fix it?
You can be the Hero of BrawlVault :-D :-D
thanks

I need the moveset.pac first, and the DL link appears to not have it anymore.....

I was wondering. Did you ever fix the Unchargable Smashes on Mega Man?

KJP is doing a Wario over Ness PSA for Yosemite Sam, and he needs it fixed.

I tried, but couldn't. All the Ness PSAs got away with it since they didn't edit the animations of the windup and charge animations of Usmash and Dsmash. Kind of a shame considering that Last I check, I may have fixed that bunny hood bug.

So it's hard-coded? There's probably no way to fix it?

I just thought of something.

Could it have to do with the length of the charge animations? Like it needs a certain length in order to run?

or maybe something critical missing in the PSA code?

I'm just trying to think of some way it could be fixed here.

I have uploaded Waluigi.
Here is the link:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=THMN9FIK
I hope you can make him playable

There you go.
http://www.mediafire.com/?xxv5q3791tddh2c

Hurtboxes, Bone References, and Visibility should be fixed. Also SSE attributes were modified to match his normal ones.

All Items should be holdable in the correct place now, He should always be visible, he won't get hit anywhere on the stage, his shield should be functional, Grabs, footstools, and throws are functional, and he should play smoother in SSE.

Do bear in mind I can't do anything any further on account of being unable to test in game as of now.

Thank you!!!
I will try it out later :-D

Well done EternalYoshi!!!!
Your work is fantastic and the number of downloads is growing.
You are the Hero of BrawlVault!!!!

If you have a lot of time, can you fix the glitches of knuckles over pikachu?
Knuckles is near perfect but lost without you help.

Do you want to help?
Thats would be great  :af:


My next project is to give Waluigi a voice, portrites, names and everything else :-)

Sorry, I forgot the link:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/dpa5h7

OK. I always wanted to play knuckles in Smash but couldn't find the link...

I'm on it after laundry.

Uh-oh.

Houston, we have a problem.

The Brawl knuckles model from GHZ is missing a lot of important bones such as ThrowN, and HaveNs....

But of course, he wasn't meant to be playable.

The high quality way to fix this is by rigging the model with a new bonetree via 3DSMAX, make it identical to Sonic's, then put Knuckles over Sonic, then port him over to someone who can glide.

And how would I do that?

/me goes and grabs te tutorials he found.

http://cgswot.com/tutorials/3d-tutorials/131-22-rigging-without-bones.html

Watch that tutorial, then go to another tutorial titled "Rigging with Bones".

It should clear things up.

Is the Knuckles idea possible?
I hope so...
What you say EternalYoshi?

I have one question to you EternalYoshi.
Wich characters are the "most wanted" for you in brawl? (Import Models)

My most wanteds are:

Waluigi (done)  :af:
Knuckles
Knuckle Joe
Isaac
Little Mac
Lyn

I'd really like to see Knuckle Joe too.  Either the import or a vertex over Kirby or Metaknight (I remember requesting a vertex AAAAAAAAGES ago, but no one replied XD).

Also, don't double post needlessly.  The "Modify" button is there for a reason.

For those requesting fixes, there are some rules the model must follow, or I cannot fix it.

Models must have the following bones:

YRotN
XRotN
ThrowN
LHaveN OR RHaveN OR HaveN

If they do not, then they are not technically salvagable.

If it's an import from another game, they may have an equivalent of a HaveN bone.
PM me the model in that situation.

How can I find out the bones?

^
Ater you fix the model with the model fixer, right click the characters mdl0 file after opening it in BB, click preview and open up the four tabs. Textures, polygons, and bones should be oon the right tab just like previewing a brawl character with brawlbox.

My lens is now clean and Brawl is working perfectly, so my hiatus is over.

Yay. Welcome back, even though you weren't technically gone.

I was a phantom on the forums techincally, being unable to advance with my stuff or test anything.

I was basically a support phantom.

Glad to see you're back in action, EternalYoshi. :)

now that you are back  are you gonna work on mega man some more like a better vertex

That vertex wasn't made by him...

Welcome back sir. *salutes*

F*ck yes, and not in Captain Falcon's voice.

Also, what's this about Knuckle Joe I see some people posting about?

I would absolutely love it if you did him and all that. Since your work is always in such quality.

StarWaffle might make Knuckle Joe in his poll.
If not I'm willing to if it means a PSA will be made at hand for him. :)
I've been making him: (http://i.imgur.com/oZfbG.png)
This is from 3 days ago, though.

Hi EternalYoshi,
It´s me again  :)
I don´t know on wich project you work but perhaps you can help on the Waluigi project.
There is no one who work on it and there are a lot of people who want to see Waluigi.
Your Fixing was great but can you help with  the moveset of Waluigi?
Like your epic Gray Fox

is sora almost done ?

It's a dumb memory issue that sounds like something only someone like Dant can solve......

WAT? O_O
So it's like there's a file size minimum?!
I'll check myself.

In other news, does anyone know how to null normals?
Even if I can't vert the Mega Man model nullifying the normals can make it look moderately better.

I'll just put Link's old textures back in and check.

Edit: The bug seems to be gone, and she works in SSE, though I need to mod the attributes.

Maybe since it's such a difference in filesize towards the game standards the game doesn't recognize it.

Hey EY, do you think you could help me out?
I need to port Zelda over to Sheik
It's for a twinrova psa idea I have.
Having two zelda (well twinrova) models would be easier for the whole fire/ice thing. Just switching the modes with the down b move would save me a ton of codework XD

are u gonna upgrade megaman anytime soon

I'm.... busy with a certain thing that's taking quite a bit of my time(look at SWF for a clue), but I will update soon. Currently, I'm trying to remove the shading from the vertexture which will make it look moderately better and tweak some of his hitboxes.

Yeah, the vertex can't be used on account of the Sword being attached to the wrong hand.

what is swf?

Smash World Forums. AKA Smashboards.

I was at a baby shower yesterday.
Pictures.

(http://i.imgur.com/qhlXd.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/KjANR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/HjP3P.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/pPaR8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RmzxX.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RFbme.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/g6C48.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/yzlzJ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/AzKyX.jpg)


New model, victory taunts aren't done yet, but everything else is done.
I'll release it as is tonight if life or that other thing gets in the way.

That is freakin smexy my man!  Can't wait for this.  I've been in desperate need of another Pit PSA for a while. 

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=20043

so whats next after this

Updates to Gray Fox(mainly SFX pack, costumes, and cosmetic stuff) and a minor Mega Man one.

Just tried out the Sora moveset. It's generally quite good for a first version. But some of those animations are... well they can be improved. I'll try to improve on some, and if I'm successful I'll send them to you if you don't mind.

If you do, please use the KH2 model viewer khkh_xldMii for reference.

i think the sora moveset is really good great job

are you going to improve the air final smash animation? because it still looks like his feet are still standing on the gound

I know every move in the Sora moveset except his Air Side-B. Someone tell me which one it is, I'm losing my mind over here trying to figure it out. XD

Sora is graet. Finally I can use it instead of my buggy Pit hack.

You've made one little mistake:
If you dodge forward Sora doesn't turn around, if you dodge backwards Sora turns around. Normally it's the other way round (I don't know if you intended it that way it is now but in my oppinion it's better to change it back to normal).

Great Job

He can't Dodge Roll backwards in KH2, so I think it was intended. :]

Or just ya know, leave the psa alone and simply switch the animations?
Since they do the opposite of what they supposed to do...
just a thought... [/simi helpful trolface]

Bingo.

BTW, if you look in the UP+B animations, I intended to have an action for him to turn around before he starts gliding at the end of the aerial recovery when the stick is held backwards, but I couldn't code it properly in yet.
The animation is in the motion etc under SpecialAirHiTurn.

I'll try again.

BTW, I'm using this code since I have no use for the rapid jab.

Pit/Sora's rapid jab is gone
04B0B750 00000000

Was there always a space between Eternal and Yoshi?

Yes.

10 Yes

No XD check when he was quoted on page two lol EVIDENCE!

Also, I like the Sora moveset, just needs some revamps in certain animations ^_^

he's got some HUGE shoes! D8

i like the psa and all, but those shhhooooeess :P is this a glitch or intentional
?
love sora! :D

If you hadn't noticed...

Lol, it has a zipper all the way through.

yeah i know he has huge shoes.. they just seem larger than well.. sora's shoes? lol

I think the shoes are perfect...
By the way, started on some animations. This is just the unfinished Wait1. It's pretty basic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpaF8NlHPFw

I agree with Mr. N... I know this was your intention EY, but... You should still make it like a normal dodge roll, this is Brawl, not KH2, I don't see why he needs to have a KH2 dodge roll, when he's in Brawl...

Also, he feels... Odd... I can't even quite figure out what it is... His Thunder has insane range... Maybe it needs a little more start up, or something, though then again, that Sephiroth PSA has as much range... Anyway, his Ice attack feels like any other elemental PSA's... Freezing foes, I hate that. <_>

His melee attacks are... Oddly slow for him? I'm not sure though... If he was too fast, then he would be broken...

All and all, nice start, he just needs some polishing, sorry for not stating much feedback... I'm just not quite sure what it is he needs, he needs something... But I can't quite place my finger on what... On a final note, get rid of that rapid hit part of Pit's old AAA, there's no need for a GCT file to do this, I doubt it's hard coded, and even if it is, you could replace the action with the normal follow up.

A Little off topic but, what did you use to record?

Yes the rapid jab is hard coded and needs a code to eliminate it or else you will get a T-stance.
Or a bug where the third jab repeats itself since the IC-Constants out prioritizes the variables used in the Jab actions.

Before I attempt to rebalance, be aware that fair and bair have special properties and are his main method of getting KOs in the air after you connect the first 2 strikes.

If need be, I can give blizzard a normal flag hitbox and give it more BKB(ftilt's windup and windown are obviously slower than the light arrows so I can do this without too much trouble).

Now what moves are you guys having issues with?

Im having issues with the down b becoz i don´t know what is it supossed to do

I would third this. I would prefer a normal dodge. Overall very nice PSA though, I can't wait for the next update =)

It's reflect though I can't get the GFX to look right.

okay

It a frap!!!!! A program called Fraps used to record games usually, but it apparently works recording Brawl Box as well.

Hm.. I didn't know forward, and back air even had more to them... Never mind about those moves then, one minor thing that's bugging me though... High damage hurt noises... This is normal Brawl, not P:M, the same thing with SDo0m's Shadow too... It's just bugging me a lot.

But enough nitpicking from me, good luck with the next version. :)

What's wrong with high damage sounds? Do you seriously listen to every sound the character makes and if they make high damage sounds you complain about them?

They were meant to be in Brawl, like the previous games, otherwise they wouldn't be recorded in the first place, but they were never coded in.

BTW, I learned how to code the Knockback based SFX in a long time ago using a variable recorded in the OpenSA wiki.

Well look, first off, no one else in the game does that, yes, as EY said, they were originally gonna be in the game, now however, they didn't, you would have to have a PSA for every character to match that, second, it's hard to ignore him loudly making a noise every time he's hit at high damage... Not even high, just 60%...

And lastly, why are you attacking me? Seriously, I don't listen to every sound, but it still clashes with vBrawl, this is fine for P:M of course, since that's the aim of it, to change it, and give it Melee's traits, but it just doesn't go with vBrawl... And frankly got on my nerves...

EY, I'm sorry if I'm sounding rude... You... Don't have to take my word for it... It's just a nitpick of mine...

Sorry, I just remembered that I have the settings so the sfx are quieter so its harder to notice. Also if you can find out what was changed, you could easily switch it back in PSA.

Yeah, that's true, if I knew which value it was, I would simply do that.

I haven't played KH2FM, so i don't know if it was intended, but sometimes when I use his Aerial Neutral-B (Magnet Splash), it moves left and right, and it gets tough to hit ppl with it.

Also, this isn't an issue, but what is his Aerial Side-B and D-air called?

I don't like his neutral B attack. In my oppinion it's too weak.

Why don't you make a two hit combo for the Jab? I would rather like it than the rapid attack.
A three hit combo isn't a problem, too. Simply make the third slash and add "Change Action 00" when you want to end it. It won't be infinite then and you won't ge a T-Stance.

Compared with Gray Fox he's a rather weak character.

Please don't make him going into helpless fall when he glides after jumping.

I would have changed some moves:

Neutral B Ground to Sode B Ground.
Side B Gound to Side Tilt.
Side Tilt should be a mediate strong sword slash.

The rapid jab can be removed by modding the IC-Constants. It overrides any variables used in the IC so use this code to remove it.
Pit/Sora's rapid jab is gone
04B0B750 00000000

Fair and Bair are 3 hit combos if the hits connect and you press A.
The last hits are powerful and send foes far away.

Should I release this texture for Gray Fox?

Gray Fox's Default texture:

I like my texture because it gives Gray Fox a more "MGS" look. The textures were ripped from Twin Snakes. So my texture is identical to the way the Ninja looked in Twin Snakes.

As long as it looks correct, go ahead.

BTW Sora's post is over here:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12942713&postcount=55

SideTilt only freezes after 70 or so damage.

There should still be a small chance of it freezing.

That's dependent on BKB and KBG aparrently.

Bascially, if any Ice based attack sends you into tumble regardless of KB, It will freeze, period.

It is indeed.

Bascially, if any Ice based attack sends you into tumble regardless of KB, It will freeze the victim, period.

Speaking of Ice-based attacks, does Gray Fox glitch or not when frozen?

No he does not. Fixing the bonrefs elmiminates those glitches when burned, frozen, zapped, or in some way in a different state, like obtaining a Smash Ball.

So I guess all known glitches are gone?

As said in the OP, yes.

Eternal, I noticed that everytime you pin somone against a wall and hold down the A button, for about 20 seconds, The Screech of Death occurs. Check FitMetaKnight.pac in PSA.
Pin somone up against a wall and hold A button for 20 seconds and see if it crashes for you.

Other than that, Gray Fox works fine.

Once again, 2 minutes, no SOD.

Same here after 4 minutes even.

It's just my glitchy Brawl...

hey Eternal what happened to lyn?

I was waiting for someone to ask.
V0.3 is in the works.

I fixed a few animations and apparently upping the file size of FitLink.pac by adding textures apparently stopped most of the freezing for me.

Didn't you mention you were making a Big Boss PSA for Snake that requires Snake using more CQC and less weaponry? Possibly a knife?

That's for later becuase I have to do updates for all 4 of my characters first and also have to take care of my......... connections.

My.......... connections are going to give me more knowledge in things like the clone engine and more advanced coding idioms, .txts, and subroutines in PSA so it will pay off soon.

Is it just me, but why does the ef_metaknight.pac file keep turning off? One game, Gray Fox has all of his correct effects, next game, he has Meta Knight's. It keeps happening and it keeps annoying me... :/

nice cant wait to see the final version of lyn

Congratz, you get video feedback XD  You must feel special:

http://youtu.be/BvSX_3Rf0Ck?t=5m44s

Thanks for the feedback.
Acknowledged.

Gotta learn how to use the Action Status actions.