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All of my yes.

I was wondering why there hasn't been a Stage Workshop thread yet. :P

*Subscribes*

I wonder if we could get a Mod to Sticky this thread. Just like how the Model and PSA Workshop threads are.

Also, dat banner. *Me Gusta*

And you're welcome, Legacy. =P

:P

Helping KTH with Chemical Plant Zone.

I am not a good stage hacker but I like to do unqine ones!

Module File Hacking (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mBP9Jka73o#ws)

trying to find out how to port the spring or water to an other stage like final destination.
successfully added a spring to Lv5 instead for Lv3 in break the targets!

Ok, let's put my unfinished ones too:

SM64 Bowser stages (3 in 1):

[SSBB hack] - All SM64 Bowser stages (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fponryevvc4#ws)

Grunty's Tower:

[SSBB hack] - Grunty's Tower Top (preview 3) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcYmOuBr_k8#ws)

Fire Temple:

[SSBB hack] - Fire Temple (on the stair) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TikeZZlI_RU#ws)

Melee Peach's Castle:

[SSBB hack] - Peach's Castle Melee (2nd Preview) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ku07XIuf9M#ws)

Mute City:

[SSBB hack] - Mute City over Port Town (WIP 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1OTNEwJ6qU#ws)

This one is more advanced than this, I got to make a new video already.

More will come :P

ooooh dat bowser stage <3 me want that!

(http://i.imgur.com/6Hebmlj.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/lTJJbB4.png)

waitwut?
me making a stage?

a bit of explanation about the model and plans :P

the huge plane thingy is water, the brownish thingy are actually 3 planes, that wanna look like waves for the water, i wanna make the clouds animated a bit, and have 2,3 or 4 balloon fighters float around in the background (hence the first pic)

(http://i.imgur.com/J0gmbG9.jpg)

Almost done. I needto found some smoke effect.
I've added some stuff for make the stage more funny, thanks to Mewtwo2000, LegacyWolf and my friend Someone for the help.
The tube on the middle rotate.
There a platform.
There 4 block on the left for help you if you fall.

And the preview of LegacyWolf is over Jungles Japes, it's for add some water.

>.>
I've been waiting for a thread like this.

Yay =D. I'll post stuff once I've made progress from whats in my own thread >.>

Woo! This is exactly the kind of thread I was hoping for. In fact, I'm surprised there wasn't one of these sooner.

As you can see in my thread (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=55111.0), I have a stage in the works. Considering it was to be my first ever stage, it's pretty ambitious. Since the layout is complex, I really want to make sure that it's actually playable and fun before I do serious work on the stage models. So please, please try it out and let me know what you think of the design.

(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/7663/stagepreviewv2.jpg)
http://www.mediafire.com/?sq2yl4rtgokx60a (http://www.mediafire.com/?sq2yl4rtgokx60a)

Notes:
-The background is temporary. No, this is not a Blade stage.
-There is a big gimmick to this stage that has yet to be implemented. It will be revealed (along with the stage theme) in the next release, which I hope is soon.
-Before anyone asks, making this stage tournament-friendly is the least of my concerns.

Wow, I like what I see in here.

*Gets old previews*

here's some WIP... glad to see a thread of this kind for stages :P

SSBB Stage Imports - Crystal World & Edge of Madness (revamp previews) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOAMDMkS8Ak#ws)

SSBB Stage Imports - Melee Great Bay Revamp WIP #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFLw197lx3I#ws)

page 1 and it's full of win already :srs:

More SM64 Bowser stuff:

[SSBB hack] - SM64 Bowser Battle #2 (Platform tilting + burning lava) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnyKq_HXUoc#ws)

I'm liking that Fire Sea stage! The tilting and lava make it more interesting than being just an over-sized Final Destination.

I know it's probably not possible just yet, but one feature that would make the SM64 Bowser stages more interesting is having the exploding mines be in the playfield.

[P:M/Brawl] Super Smash Land: Underground (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNVZ0GICOt0#)
I figured out how to upload in 16:9! Looks like the embedding still forces 4:3+letterboxing, though.
Here's one of the Super Smash Land stages I haven't released quite yet.

i was working on this like a month ago but stopped to take a break from stage hacking,but im starting on it again

HI I'M DAISY

But srsly I'm hype for that Cruiser. Still my favorite MK stage.

I like what I see here.

Well it's good this thread is getting some attention.


Revamping what appears to be my best stage. >.>

As usual, it's an unnecessarily early preview.

I know I said this in your thread already, but I'll say it again.

Me Gusta.

This is now my favorite thread!  :happy:

another stage  im making

That's cool. Where's the fighting going to be? Or will there be multiple versions?

IMO, the best thing for that stage would be a moving plattform, like delfino, so at some points you see the whole island and thus recognie the yoshi form

That's not a bad idea if you're up to it.

Edit: Should've posted something sooner, but hopefully this makes up for it.

those textures look sick :srs:

This is like that old Stage Hacking Central thread on Smashboards :D

Which is a good thing.

It's a tread to showcase Stages that are in progress.

There are two other threads that are for similar purposes, but are used for PSAs and Models.

I like joke.'s idea for a moving platform, like the F-Zero stages. Even sicker if you got models to animation driving around the track as well, but one step at a time.

Yeah, I'm just commenting

There was when I first met a lot of people from here.

thats a good idea  but i dont know how to make moving stages but if i cant do it then ill have different versions

Started over with my Kami's Lookout revamp. Still needs tons of work.


Can't let this thread die so soon; we need more stages! :P

cant wait lookes nice also im thinking about doing almost every mkdd stage

That's cool. I was waiting for someone to do Bowser's Castle from DD. :P

yeah im using your lave from your bowser's castle because that lava looks way better then the one in dd

Oh, I almost forgot to post this here.


Unlike the other stage I posted, this one won't really need much play-testing, so I'm already working on the background and props. Incidentally, look forward to an update on that mysterious other stage soon!

Oi, Super Mario RPG! Awesome!
And now I can somehow imagine Smash Bros 4 (yay, presentation of it at the E3), the screenshot looks great. =D

Those crystals look breathtaking.
Is the fight gonna take place on the two chandeliers?

That's a sexy render!

Edit:

looks awesome are we going to be falling in the water this time lol

Swimmable water, yo. ;)

Finishing with the SM64 Bowser stages:

[SSBB hack] - All SM64 Bowser stages (smaller, tilting and looped) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq3sD0JVZXE#ws)

may i suggest adding some grassy texture to the borders of the "walls", like, the cut between grass and stone is kinda bugging my eyes... other than that it looks great, but a comparisson with the older version would be even better for the eyes i guess :P

Deleted the request post. Do not do that again. :)

Looking good! Only recommendation I have right now is changing the overall looping time of the animation. Stage animations are designed in such a way that a complete loop of the stage matches up with one of the common match time limits (usually 2, sometimes 3, occasionally 5 for complex ones). It seems like 3 minutes would be a good time frame to shoot for, and if you do, be sure to keep in mind how a 2-minute match would play.

Almost done! Sure wish I could use that.

Saved me again, Albafika. Thanks.



I might do this. Then again, I might not. ;)

*re-reads*

Oh...well:

noice noice

It's better now.


Edit: New Namek preview!

the left background island has glitching textures...

If only there was the bouldergeist in the background

Subscribes*

Thanks again to all of DinnerSonic's hard work, I now have a working test version of the stage that features the main gimmick of the stage. It also reveals the theme of the stage, the Weapons Factory from SMRPG!

Weapons Factory Proto V3(Super Smash Bros Brawl stage layout test) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuILn2jCRu0#ws)
Weapons Factory Play-Test Release Version 3
http://www.mediafire.com/?2gfmhoz6pla36a3 (http://www.mediafire.com/?2gfmhoz6pla36a3)

The reason I'm posting it here in the Stage Workshop is because I need help from everyone. No, I don't need anyone to import it or animate it. I just need people's feedback on the layout of the stage. Are the platforms too high? Are the platforms wide enough? Does the stage move fast enough? Does the stage move too slow? Even though I don't use hacks at all, I want this stage to be as good as possible for the people who do.

(Full information here.) (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=55111.msg1104718#msg1104718)

i like how the stage builds itself, very neat idea, i'd make it a bit quicker though, i waited a lot to finally see the full stage, and the loop is epic, i really like it a LOT congratulations on such a great concept

I purposefully gave a large amount of time for the conveyor belt sections to be played on, as there will be more gimmicks that go along with them. (I won't spoil what it is directly, but just think about the setting.)

i mean the time it takes to get together, the time between the full stage and the reset, i find it really good

Hmmm... the gap before the first set of belts come in does seem a tad long. I plan on having pieces in the background will also be added on as well, so hopefully that should help with the perceived pace of construction.

As far as the background goes, I tried to make it close to how it is in SMRPG. Either way, it's only a temporary background.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback! I think you're probably the first person here to actually test it.

ima be honest, havent tested, it, but since you've posted a video, i thought i'd give some feedback based on that, and i haven't tested it because i have no access to brawl atm

What jokekid said.
I love the concept of the stage building itself.

So is anybody here actually going to play-test it? :P

hi

then why show us?
you are a bad person! :oshi:

Looking good, Gamma. Too bad it's not gonna be finished. =/

Stickied.

All I have is a model preview right >.>
Bad puns aside, the  Gesellschaft  is gonna be in this stage also, at full size, and while you'll start on the flutter, you'll be rotating between it and different parts of the Gesellschaft

Finish it! D:



Looking good, Pervy! Can't wait to see it in action.

getting back to work on a stage i did back in march of 2012.. needs more work still

Weeeeeeeell if you insist




Thank you, Alba-- waaaaait a sec. Your name has me skeptical. :>.>:

So far so good. No ones exploding yet

i saw through your copypasta trick pervy!

already told ya, i really like how the ship-thingy looks

Dat camera. Looks like you could use some help with it.

This page is mine

looks cool ridley.

Thaaaanks.

Oh look a gimmick.

...

I want to see a Mother Brain stage...

That uses my Mega Mother Brain remix...

*SHOT*

nice all the stages here

here a stage i am working :


note the places of the characters  

 
i would want to do like this stage to 07min 26 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldsylsZAmtc&playnext=1&list=PL252541BD8F127727&feature=results_video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldsylsZAmtc&playnext=1&list=PL252541BD8F127727&feature=results_video)
and of course there is the quick mouvement too
what do you think ?
and if someone want to join this project it will be with a great pleasure i would have need to resolve two problem again the one is the  background stay in up and the second is i have find the position of colision but i don"t arrive to put this one correctly so for instance if you jump in the back you are in the righ way if not crash

anyway don't hesit to say your opinion

That's quite an interesting idea for a stage, agent-s!
Maybe you could work with both the building and the collisions on the horizontal and then just edit the camera so that it looks like everything is actually inclined. I'm just not sure if that's possible XD

I had a post written out, but then I realized it was essentially the same as Thyrus's. :P


On a related note, an entirely tilted stage sounds like an interesting idea. Of course, I guess the angle of that would be limited by the maximum angles the characters' animations allow for.

hi thank you for your comments Thyrus and Peardian   i am glad you to hear   :)

for do this stage i have worked on a stage already import by a friend Dalvin  this one : (Brawl Hacks)Fighting on water (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3qmFecaOhg#)

you right Thyrus the building and the collisions on the horizontal  could be best to work
but i  have continue to work on create colission in diagonal for give the impression the move seems change of position it explain why i have the characters on the screens are in different places like if they move in 3d there will have soon a video but the stage is like that

the characters arrive from the up and placed on the bulding and when we move up and when we move in the down the character position seems changed
and same thing when the character appears he appears after a death in a place not in front of the cpu like you can see in the screen 1
 so the characters move from up to down but the collision in diagonal seems do sometimes they move in the side too
i don't know how i could keep this effect if i move only the camera so i need to continue to place others collision for the character stay more on the bulding without be crashed


 

Weapons factory is a very cool idea. I haven't gotten a chance to play with it yet, but based on the vid I had a couple of suggestions:

-You should consider making the individual pieces come in on their own, like, instead of waiting x amount of time for 2 platforms to come in, maybe have them come in one at a time at smaller intervals, that way its changing more often and more gradually so it would be a little easier to play on

-Maybe instead of having the second level be all conveyor find a way to mix in some pass-through areas so the bottom part doesn't become a death trap.

-It seems like the platform that appears right before the stage gets shipped off isn't grabbable. Considering it's insta-death if you miss it I'd suggest changing that.

A lot of this probably sounds like nitpicking, but it's only because I really like what you have so far, keep it up!

Huzzah, more feedback! These are some interesting suggestions.

-I like this idea. In fact, I'm a little surprised I didn't have it that way to begin with. I'll definitely keep this in mind when designing the final version. Also, I plan on having the transitions for them coming in to be a bit slower. That should also help make the gaps not be so long. Also note that the final version will have background elements being added on as well, so the final version will hopefully have continuous building going on.

-Yeah, I'm considering adding one there, most likely where the right-most belt currently is. For the secondary, not-yet-implemented gimmick to work, the main conveyor belt section needs to be intact.

-Oh? That's an oversight on our part, then.

Thanks for the feedback! I hope you'll get a chance to play it soon. Once I get my other stage released, I'll see about getting a fourth version out with some of those changes implemented.



Speaking of which, look what I sort of finished!

(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1088/bowserkeeper.png)

As far as the model goes, I guess I just need to give it some placeholder candle flames.

you could make the lamps fall at te ground at some point, breaking apart and taking you to a flat stage...

oh wow... that looks freaking impressive! i wouldnt mind making that playable for ya! :vyse:

Peardian really nice stage :) it would be awesome too if you could add ghost wich fly around the stage

Oh god. It'd amazing :srs:

Oh, could you? Because that would be awesome. :D

Do it! You are great at making animations, so I can imagine good stuff coming from you, and Peardian's amazing model skills.

Please don't throw this in your WIP box. Actually finish this sir.

Quite indeed.

This stage looks like something that could be AMAZING.

The layout could be competitive, but still relativity different. The visuals would be a nice blast from the past... And it would be a good stage to load up with BRSTMs. XD

well then... take a load of this!  there is more pics... but this is all ill only show... just so i dont ruin the surprise on this stage
(http://i.imgur.com/vLbMvgj.png)

I love that stage idea. If you make the chandeliers big enough you could even have one fall every now and then just to mix it up.

To give you an idea of the scale, each chandelier is roughly the size of the central platform in Norfair.

I'm dying to play the stage. The chandelier crystals already look sexy as [censored] in the 3DS Max preview. Imagine it in-game with all sorts of sexy shaders...

well seggy... give it like... 2-3 weeks at most... its taking ALOT of time

here's the main stage floor in-game pics
(http://i.imgur.com/oj2r4HI.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/a5PAnTT.png)

Nice job there.

Can't wait for the release.

well... here's newer pics... :>.>:

Wow, dat everything! I couldn't possibly do something this good. Fantastic job!

lol thanks. this is what i learned when doing brinstar depths and great bay's color nodes. its awesome to learn new tricks for stages.

anyways... here's another stage, except this 1 an old 1 im still working on. new lighting, and fog.
(http://i.imgur.com/FfwAVoA.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/hFx3PD2.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/82YExrG.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ON2Sr8y.png)

i envisioned that stage much bigger... the arcs look ridiculous compared to mario...

heh yeah.. but this is the size that blackjax wanted it to be.. and the stage is pretty big really.. i mean its collisions on each side is in the 110+ range! but it is swimmable ;D

playing with stage light and fogs to increase the horror and the creepy in a stage!

(http://i56.tinypic.com/2h2kyu8.jpg)

a cold, unsafe area there you can't see more than your nose! the light isn't final yet, I will adjust it to make it darker and in right angle, almost no light at all.
mostly for machinima purpose but if anyone want it to be released, I can release it

Fog everywhere

It's apparently just "The Kanihira Stage". I guess we'll call it Kanihira

(http://i.imgur.com/FkBh3Sp.png)

I pretty much remade the whole stage again myself, and demon added the shadows and took the pics.
Still a collaboration.

damn, looks pretty epic, that DK stage also looks pretty cool

Please do!


BEAUTIFUL! *-*

wow that dk stage looks awesome

Probably the most beautiful place I've ever seen in Brawl ._.

Moar

wut's that last stage?

and it sucks that you cant make the barrel work..

Freezeflame Galaxy.

another stage im doing because i got bored

Linkfan990 released a SM64 stage the other day, but he didn't know how to fix lighting. Now it's fixed, so look forward to it:

SSBB Hacks - Jolly Roger Bay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfKyWKTu8NU#ws)

I love that music, btw xD

DOWNLOAD (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=31023)

My new stage in progress: Eyerock's Boss Room from SM64
Eyerock's eye animated, just need to animate him and fix some other stuff =)

Ah. I see you've fixed the texture issue.

I love you Legacy.

A couple of stages I'm working on:


Celestial Battlefield of Bhava-Agra


Shadow Dragon Destination

Nice SSF2 Ports. I'm gonna be rebooting and reviving my old stages while I wait for certain conditions to be satisfied on the character, .rel, article, and PSA fronts.

kage_ryu, any `pssibility of getting that battlefield stage as a normal battlefield with the rotating plattforms?
i really like the concept.

Yep, that's entirely possible.
I should probably be focusing on finishing my finals, though...Brawl modding sucks me in like quicksand.

great background, ice ring needs some shine though, but im sure u already know that

 Yes, either a simple shine or some spec maps.

It also needs better transparency.

well... who wants a stage... WITH WORKING SCREENS!?!? Introducing a new MMD stage with television screens.
(http://i.imgur.com/EiQCtyF.png)

You have to teach me how to do that. it's amazing

Take it from the screen model from Pokemon stadium 2. Really that simple.

lol technically its not from the screen model. the model is from MMD, not pokemon stadium, but is built over pokemon stadium

Yeah, and technically that's not what I meant at all. I said you could easily grab a screen like that by taking it from Pokemon Stadium.

Definitely gonna need the Nuclear Fusion Dojo music to go with that stage.

I'm assuming he just technically meant he technically took shaders and materials from the screen model on pkmn stadium and pasted them on his own model technically and made sure some bone/material names were the same or w/e. Whereas you're like, oh technically take the whole screen model from pkmn stadium. His response was just extremely vague.


technically.

I'm sure it was done to make it seem to others like it's something no one has ever done before. That's most assuredly what he did, the shaders and materials thing, and probably modified the screen model as well.

My original intentions were to generally explain the simple way of "creating" that screen. Seems some people lack knowledge today.

true but who cares :P

Re: This should be my next release.

Nice. It'll be pleasant to have a DK stage where DK is not actually at a disadvantage.

nice a dk stage i can put on my sd card

O Hai

I've been needing a solid DK stage.

It'd be quite cool to see the DKCR volcano in the background as well.

(http://s1.directupload.net/images/130321/cxz48nf3.png)

Oops

I feel crappy that I'm never contributing more to the community when I have so much to give. Here's a preview of a stage I started today ;D

Sexy.

the bakground, is it from planet's core?

Nope some Subspace stage crap, but yea its the same one used for EternalYoshi's Planet's Core cept with a different color. I'm gonna change the background textures a bit to look more like the one in Dark Moon.

Funny. I beat the game recently. I'll probably grab this once it's out ;D

I'm assuming that's what the final boss fight looks like? I haven't gotten past the second Mansion yet.

^You got it.

really nice stages everyone

in my side i work always on the other but for instance it is unplayable on vs because i don't arrive to decrease the death of the character on this stage


 so in waiting i have tought retexture in hd the space stage now all is in 1024 about a new sky

it stay a little problem there is a bad shader with touch one side the main side unfortunatey if we stay on the two first planets

in the others side it is like this what do you think of my work ?

i have taken 4 pictures of space and edit ( recolor effects ,clone , light ....)





and the part with a problem of shader too like a sort of cloud in front of is this one :

(http://i.imgur.com/rfWUtre.png)

not sure if i'll end up making this, but the idea is to make a new background for battlefield or whatever stage. . .

(Reposting from DSX8's thread)

Since DSX8 is out doing stuff, he's given me permission to post this message:

(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2842/skeeppreview.png)

Bowser's Keep is up for grabs! Anybody who thinks they are up to the challenge of completing this dynamic stage should contact both DSX8 and I via PM. DSX8 can provide his current progress on the scene and all of the assets that go with it, and I will provide all of the details such as keyframe timing, precise coordinates, etc.

Now, this is a complex stage (moving parts, animated lights, complex shaders), so having a decent amount of skill in stage creation is highly recommended. Please know that if you take on this task, it will require a good amount of effort, but I will be here to give you support every step of the way.

So, any takers?

Edit: Here's a list of things that have already been accomplished for the stage (as far as I can tell)
-import of stage floor, walls, and skybox
-vertex painting for floor and walls
-animated candle flames

Love it. Can't wait to see it with all its textures applied.

What's left to be completed?

@Vaanrose: You mean shaders/materials? Because it's fully textured there. Of course, that image was rendered in C4D. That's not exactly how it will look in Brawl.
A number of things.
-Env shader for windows
-Import of chandelier platforms
-collision for chandelier platforms
-Import of background characters (Kinklink, etc)
-Positioning of walls, chandeliers, and characters (separate objects)
-Animation for background, chandeliers, characters, and props
-Shader animation for candle wax
-Lighting in General
-Animation frames for chandelier lighting
-Setting of player/item spawn points, camera boundaries, etc.

Huh. Guess I just thought the walls were more colorful than that.

So DSX8 honestly can't do these himself? Perhaps he's lost interest in it...

Well, good luck.

He lost interest due to not being interested in Brawl hacking and/or League of Legends, which seems to be a craze nowadays.

See his thread for more details. (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=35139.msg1124394#msg1124394)

He said he would be happy if someone could finish the job, as it would relieve a lot of stress for him. It's very likely that this stage may never be completed unless someone steps in. All of the vertex colors, animation timing, coordinates, and most every other detail have already been established. All that needs to be done is to put it together.

I probably would if I wasn't already putting a level together in Unity for school. Hope someone picks up the torch, though, because that stage looks really sweet.

I really hope someone takes up this stage. This cannot go to waste.

(http://i.imgur.com/BYeNzXl.jpg)

as you can see, it needs to be bigger xD

double post yeah!

(http://i.imgur.com/PaeXJtY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/XSSU2Uy.jpg)
copletely made up, heavily inspired by a stage from PS all-stars though

I don't even know what this is, but I want mor preevyoos

that can be managed :P
(http://i.imgur.com/20QN7Ap.jpg)
used norfair's lighting

i need a guide to animating textures though, cuz the lava is static atm

Need some assistance with that? It's ironically quite easier done than said.

(http://i.imgur.com/bB9CCVW.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OfD3qbY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fynVVix.jpg)

ok
do you guys think i should make those side plattforms as wide as the walls?

I like the way they are now. Easy to determine where the platform is.

For the love of god and all that is holy, someone do Bowser's Keep.

Probably should've posted this here

SSBB Preview - Freezeflame Galaxy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2G4A5MN-Xw#ws)

Dude you make me wanna work on my SSF2 stages again XD Nice work as usual you've really improved your skills drastically, [censored] I ask you for help now XD

Love you too, man.

Edit:

Bpum

My very first stage in the works :) I'm making a Hanenbow II stage, based off of another setup for that minigame on Electroplankton, I need to raise the trees and try to find a way to delete those extra trees or make them invisible because I don't need/want them but they're connected to my two main bottom trees... any suggestions or help on that part?  (http://i40.tinypic.com/2myra4k.jpg)
I'm just really excited it's going this well so far for my 1st stage :D

never been a fan of hanenbow...

To be honest neither have I, but because you can't put music on the Hanenbow hacks and can't make the characters 3D I figured I'd just make a new one that made it a bit fresher :)

Mute City progress...

[SSBB hack] - Mute City [WIP 3] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucmmcYBBw9E#ws)

I hate this stage too...

I like how this one completely defecates on the first Mute City WIP.

SSBB Imports - SSBM Mute City (Progress 1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V4I3HDpHfI#ws)

hah yeah... its a major improvement.. xD

and it all started with the OBJ importing method for MKW.. xD

enjoy this giant.. willing to have some1 help me animate all 4 of them.. so if your able to, PM me then.
(http://i.imgur.com/vBJju7X.jpg)

they all animate the same, but with different orientations, just import 3 more with the same bone names, but with a parent bone that distinguishes them, to rotate it around the moon. :P

hah yeah, i know that, but i suck at animating xD

anyways...

Somebody pleeeeease finish Bowser's Keep!! D: I would but I'm a total n00b

Sorry to break your noobifull heart, but knowing Mike [DSX8] he won't finish it ANYTIME soon. Your best hope is for someone else with skills, and lots of free time to pick it up, though I do believe that he sent it to Mewtwo to finish? Then I think he said he was gonna finish it himself so God knows when that's gonna be.

Move on sir.

Mike doesn't finish anything anymore. He's probably busy with important life [censored] right now.

Can't blame him, we all are man.

Important life [censored] is the most common hacker-killing disease

i cant believe i did not post this wip.
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa104/superben_2007/al_120208_1342binout.jpg) (http://s196.photobucket.com/user/superben_2007/media/al_120208_1342binout.jpg.html)

Looks like some of that classic Zelda XD I approve. Gotta appreciate the classics ;D

Ganon's room from A Link to the Past?

yep. thats what i'm working on. gotta make it better.

Pwease make the small platforms disappearing after a certain amount of time like that (at 1:13 for example) so it's harder for the players to get on the stage again. Something like Mewtwo2000's OoT Ganon Stage:

Zelda link to the past last boss + ending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGLBBE_edF0#)

Maybe adding those torches and changing light?

That's really good!
Keep going!

that kami's lookout looks amazing hope to see it done soon... and that mute city... i don't even know what more can be done xD

Currently working on this: (http://i.imgur.com/2wimv7p.png)

Things I need to fix currently:
Lights, Collision and model size.

theres some amazing stages in here its a shame most of them dont get released

still waiting for pokefloats xD

working on V2 of my Skyscraper stage with a way better model

Sweet.

:falcon: says : HYYEESS!

i may have item boxs and coins in the back ground of the stage just to make it look nicer and maby some people in karts

Did you listened DSX8?!   :>.>:
Im not the only one,everyone wants poke floats, finish it now you lazy bastard! :V Lol but first finish the boxing ring stage from smash 4, im prefer that one atm.

Did someone say PokeFloats?

How
bout
dem

stfu plz :3

(http://i.imgur.com/mrsUuuY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/sFuqtKq.jpg)
Forgot about this for a while. After taking way too long with the sky and fog settings and picking it up again, I'm almost done. I just have to animate the flag to flap in the wind and that's the end.

I thought you already finished that. Heh, we all forget about things sometimes.

well... im back.. and in action.. WITH SCREENS!!!!

The left screen is drunk.

haha yeah that it is... i fixed it tho.. i think

Those are some flat-ass textures on the stage.

i kno... the MMD stage came with no textures.. it was colored via either color nodes, or material coloring! >_<

so i had to make the textures 8x8 and all flat colored, and its UV's r all in 1 spot, so cant really do much with it, which is y i want to see if the PMD importer for the next BB will show anything to this stage or not .-.


but the stage doesnt transform, the 2 smaller screens r set as "always display" while the big 1 shows the time/names/etc and the game display.

update on my Skyscraper Stage

That's the one from MKWII, right? It looks awesome!

yes it is i made one this stage before but i was the mario kart 64 model but the wii model is wayyy better

Yup!
I use the N64 one. I love that lil' hole xD
spiking the enemy inside it, the best way to win!

.... would any1 like some Metroid Other M stages? i finally got em all named (took a whole day to go through most of the files, what to keep and what not)

(http://i.imgur.com/ehbFQtr.png)(http://i.imgur.com/aU4U7I5.png)

I'll take up your offer DSX8, the models could possibly come in handy for future projects.

did u nae ALL the files?
or just the scenaries?

i named them all... besides the graphic effect files and some monsters/animations/sfx files

edit:
enjoy some final boss room.. will add the other windows, phantoon, and lighting edits later.. already resized the stage
(http://i.imgur.com/ojYDYoY.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/B2OwLgc.png)

I will also take those Other M models if it's not too much trouble.

oh?  which 1 would u like to have?


all thats left is to animate Phantoon, and animate/destroy the glass windows when they break.. and also add the monitors on top.

(http://i.imgur.com/95x9JrV.jpg)

was the shadow blue?

what.. what shadow?

anyways.. new pics... windows r now animated (i forgot how to do VIS0 for a bit but it came back). might make phantoon smash the windows 5secs into the match, so that u can see it do the first hit after the countdown.
(http://i.imgur.com/qcYPBO4.png)

For the moment I'll just go with the Geothermal Power Plant and whatever goes with it (Including Ridley). I have a pretty cool idea that won't make it a boring flat stage, yay~ But if it somehow doesn't work out then I'd have to research  other possible locations since I haven't played or watched Other M.

haha damn... idk which #'s those r cause i dont have it called "geothermal" .-.

That Phantoom bastard whatever looks creepy bro o_0

Oh, right, then my guess is that it would be one of the 'volcano' stages. It's the place where you fight Ridley, so it's a huge circular platform surrounded walls and lava.

you have that imported on the vault lol by gamma

well i could record a video of what i have SOOOO far... <.>

but instead... have some pics! 1 pic didnt save properly =_=  (smashing out the top middle window)
(http://i.imgur.com/Sb0DDsI.png)

i want to see that animated so much xD

i'd swear there's a shadow in the preview... (i mean a shadow of a character, in this case samus)

hah nope... no shadow of samus at all, its the shadow from the ceiling :p

u already have my man!


for those who dont look in my thread.. here's a video of the stage!
SSBB Stages - Metroid Other M Phantoon Stage WIP#1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fhrnh7fUxo#ws)

phantoon still looks a bit glitchy, other tha that it's looking great!

lol ya... somehow the lighting is making him glitch.. idk y.. O_o

well.. here's what i'll show..
u'll have 3 choices of which 1 to pick out of. each 1 will have different lighting
(http://i.imgur.com/B1ZuNgL.jpg)

The first one looks amazing, really like the colors there.

The proper Big Shell is out on BV.

Now I can revisit my VR stage and get the lighting and background right now that I have more knowledge of how MGS2 skydome textures work.

well here's a vid of the telstar dance stage that is
http://youtu.be/t1BEhzssDEw (http://youtu.be/t1BEhzssDEw)

i'd make a more noticeable fram around the main screen, i think it'd make it look a lot better, and it's a simple thing (i think?)

(http://i.imgur.com/XiSWfAa.jpg)
Picked this stage up again. The stage is now colored properly(It's the evening theme), the effects are working(though you won't see it in pics), and I'm gonna make a new background(currently there's none).

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Post Merge: July 26, 2013, 11:00:55 AM

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(http://i.imgur.com/xDPNKNm.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/5XItqUi.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/IDK3n4B.jpg)
More progress.

(http://i.imgur.com/hn2iZ16.jpg)

What's that stage from?

Metal Gear Solid 2 Substance's VR Missions. This VR screen is used for the last Assult Rifle Missions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbyFtS9JLhk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbyFtS9JLhk)

Well here is a work in progress by the Project Z team... although i'm having an issue with setting up the clr0 :/ not really sure what i messed up... but... it just wont color the dang thing... -.-
(http://i.imgur.com/YDhZycf.jpg)

made a help thread with details... http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=61513.0 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=61513.0)
or if ya want to help i can send ya a copy of the stage if you pm me

ehh... getting back to work on PokeFloats... pretty much been over a year since i last worked on it .-.

(http://i.imgur.com/8KIhxPV.png)

aleluia xD  finaly we may get pokefloats done you were almost at half of it as i remenber you reached the unknowns right?

lol no.. more like at snorlax xD
ignore the camera distance in the 2nd pic... still working on that
(http://i.imgur.com/BETlx9K.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Xd3d1yr.png)

Jesus Wooper's eyes...

Haven't previewed this in awhile.

wow looks very nice also you should have classic sonic running in the loop that would be awesome

also i got bored so i started to make a random stage

Been dead for a quite awhile...

Does this stage have a moving platform? It'd be a pity just to see the mouth of the DK Island. There's a Mario Kart stage that includes a platform to move you to different areas. Seeing all the entrances of each world where you can fight for 30 seconds might be awesome, and when the platform moves, it could also fly around the DK Island. Just a suggestion, I don't know what you planned for it.

making ricco harbor from mario sunshine

Hope this will have a flying platform.

CHAO IN SPACE 2 <3 <3

Got distracted while working on a model

Looks like a good stamina stage.

It's actually a lot bigger than it looks. For reference, the middle portion is about the width of Final Destination. Also Groudon was scaled up by about 10x.

:srs: How big is that stage?!? :srs:

Pretty [censored] big, now that I look at it. I'll probably scale it down a bit.

Let's just say the crystals are bigger than Captain Falcon, heheh.

I made it intentionally large so that the walls and such aren't directly visible while playing. Plus, I'm not a big fan of closed-in stages, so there will be death boundaries on both sides. There will also be a platform in the middle.

Incidentally this stage is shaping out to look a lot like Mushroom Kingdom with a different background, eheheh.

i'd loveto see a "stamina version", or a hard to kill one if u prefer calling it like that xD

Well if people want that, I suppose I can make it.

I plan on making a Kyogre version as well.

That would be really awesome to play on a stage like this!

Hi. Just showing my last updates.

I've been working on a Gerudo Valley stage. This is the latest video I've recorded on it:

[SSBB hack] - Wii U styled characters on Gerudo Valley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lliu_KAvjBk#ws)

I've also been working on Fire Temple, with a new room to go with the other 2 rooms I showed months ago:

[SSBB hack] - Fire Temple (Boss Door room) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcLeV0Mh77E#ws)

I've completed and released my version of Melee Peach's Castle:

[SSBB hack] - Peach's Castle Melee (3rd preview) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBTV3Gmlm9k#ws)

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=34048 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=34048)

I've mixed Peach's Castle with Rainbow Cruise:

[SSBB hack] - Peach's Castle Cruise (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RneCHUNTkE4#ws)

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=34061 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=34061)

And I've made multiple changes to the Great Bay I got once collaborated:

[SSBB hack] - More changes on Great Bay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucI5mgFxJsU#ws)

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=22800 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=22800)

DSX8 is supposed to release a better one in a few months, but I thought it was fair to let people have something better than before in the meantime. Well, I wanted a better Great Bay for myself but didn't want to make a new one knowing that DSX8 is working hard on his, so I just edited this one to suffice my own needs.

Mirror's Edge Stage Preview, almost done. Made from scratch ;D

Looks amazing. You should add some fog to it too.

Oh yea, there's gonna be moving clouds, some fog in the BG and some steam coming from some vents.

welcome to a small... village!!

still working on the objects and the such...
(http://i.imgur.com/NH7qCQ2.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/y6drpJ4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7OzFTH5.jpg)

DSX8, what game is that stage from?

Epic stuff you brought here DSX! Where did you get that model?

ripped the stage files from Magna Carta II.. all the objects r like all in 1 file (aka area's), but all the pieces has to be manually placed. its pretty low poly objects too, except for the 2 buildings atm..

*Subscribes*
Please, do not mind this post...
 

Alm I love your Wuhu stage... except when I get flown off every damn time lol. I think you shoul consider making the planes go offscreen on the bottom instead, it seems like it would make them get in the way of the camera les and be easier to react to. But seriously, love the stage.

well have some more pics of that village... x3
(http://i.imgur.com/1Z3993Q.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/5Zeq4k8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ghFzr2Z.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/MhLSxBh.jpg)

To see past stage updates: http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=62401.0 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=62401.0)

With the help of LegacyWolf we where able to resolve the problems of the stage...

This is what Scuttle Town looks like for now:
(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/264/e/9/ssbb_hack_scuttle_town_progress_3_by_mudkip97-d6n9bnp.jpg)


This is what it will look like:
(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/264/8/9/test_by_mudkip97-d6n9c01.jpg)


I still need to add a few models(not a lot), I'll probably add the background and sea from the Pirat Ship stage in the background of my stage and I'll add better textures...

Credit also goes to user LegacyWolf  :kdance:

Er....have you ever heard of using this button?

Nope  :oshi:

 got same questing for ppl who dont use the screenshot button on blackbox,dolphin emulator,SSBB´s own screenshot&the converter

(http://puu.sh/4JHTZ.png)

Finally doing something Brawl Hax related, using OizenX'sSSB4arena as a base, I finally decided to make a WWE Arena in Brawl a reality.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/v/1372758_580211265375867_237234860_n.jpg?oh=c376a1fa68affaa1764fe8d237fa91b0&oe=5255174E&__gda__=1381339439_5a3289572db47c6455ce3527bb7b89f6)

「まどか☆マギカOP」をお菓子の魔女で再現してみた。sm14200395 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2bkPfbIZDU#ws)

Awwww yeah! <3


That reminds me, I made that background for Oktavia's barrier.

oh, I want to see it

Land of Chocolate for 10 Min! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMPT09lJjcE#)

You can find it in my models thread, which you can get to by clicking the image in my signature.

Hmm. I guess I didn't make it very obvious that it's a link...

Edit: There, now my link is a little more obvious.

my first stage(not a big stage project):
(http://i.imgur.com/TjOjTc3.png)
 just needing a light on the top of the tardis and done(maybe needs alittle help with that)
the tardis just flying around in the background of FD stage
mainly a FD stage for Doctor Who fans

Update on my SkyScraper V2 Stage almost done! just need to add the item boxes and other stuff

Been awhile since I preview anything :P Here's a Portal 2 stage I started yesterday. Glad to see to stage makers being active though ;D

I'm surprised this wasn't posted here already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFhVDAbIFOk#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFhVDAbIFOk#ws)

Bowser's Keep is finally nearing completion. Credit to LegacyWolf for the video.

Cut me some slack only spent 2 hours on it thus far and haven't slept yet. Don't mind the weak sky and ground texture, those are only placeholder textures.  :P

*Edit* Here's a BrawlBox preview, I fixed the Sky a little bit and added a quick House as a placeholder  :P

wow the new mario galaxy stage was just shown and we have some body making the stage lol i was going to make one but then i saw you and was like yeah he will do a way better job then me lol

Dude you're more than welcome to make your own ;D Anyone could, I just couldn't resist when I finally saw that stage being revealed, I couldn't wait until tomorrow so I just had to make it soon before I lost interest :P

i dont blame you at all i would do the same lol

also an update on my Skyscraper V2 i fixed the lighting so its not as blue as it was before

Is that an edit of my old Aperture labs stage? I recognize the general layout, as well as the test chamber plaque and goo textures.
I'm fine with that (as long as you give credit) but I recommend that you reimport the model, if you haven't already. It was an obj import stage (the first, in fact) and that method tends to be... unstable.

I wish I could be this talented while making stages :/ you guys are incredible! As far as I ever made it importing stuff myself is by downloading the wii scrubber... there I got lost because I needed a "key" or something. Guess I have to surf the tutorials for some advises.

That and I don't have a brawl disk anymore, I don't know what to do.

@ForOhForError - Naw it's not your import, I tried using yours but it wouldn't save properly no matter how many times I edited it. What you see is a bunch of builder blocks with some of your textures in different shapes and sizes.

@Scout - Stage making will become second nature to you the longer you do it. I use to suck at it but now I've improved greatly. Making stages aren't as hard as some say, just takes time and knowledge, keep at it. Also my Brawl disk is gone so I got a DVDR and burned Brawl onto it and it works fine and I've been using that same disk since March 2010 and it still works  ;) Also here's a new preview of that Galaxy stage from Smash 4, still has ways to go but playable  ;D

Wait, wait.... you can play mods on a burned DVD-R?! You sir, made my day a ton happier!
And, thanks for the encouraging words. Once December starts I will learn the ways of importing and not (censored) on it.

The stage looks awesome, that speed is... waoh :O

When I get inspired I make things quick ;) Also regarding the DVDR make sure you get a disk with at least 8GB storage, copy Brawl's ISO over to the disk. I use NeoGamma, it allows you to play burned Wii and Gamecube games from a DVDR. That's all I say on that, there's more info on the internet, hope that helps a bit though  ;D

P.S-You also need a 2GB SD card with the codes to do it as well, that's the most important thing so don't forget that.

Well, the thing is,
I already have my wii soft moded with configurable usb loader, neogama, wiiflow, usb Loader GX and other stuff, I already have the codes for the launchers and stuff.

Besides, my wii has darckorps installed, it can read dvd-r without the need of an sd, I have over 25 melee DVD-R and I dunno what to do with them. I will not sell them just in case  :angel: just play frisbee with some friends  >D

Thanks for the info  :)

What I'd do is have a child bone under the main plane bone tied to the collision rather than the main bone, and have that bone disappear somehow when you want the collision to go away.

when the plane goes into the back, make the bone collision scale to 0, that way the collision will be gone

also, for the sake of looks, you could make the plane do a spin before going in the background, throwing all characters off...

Stormship Stadium (Still WIP)
I need some help to fix some things, then it should be okay.

(http://i.imgur.com/WYzL6lE.jpg)

I need this stage and fast! (well im willing to wait, but now you know how I feel of this stage)

It needs one of those 4 moving block things.

Look more on the stage, they are on the background.

teehee, you said 'moron'

This was so random it made me lol

The stage is looking amazing, KTH!

While the site was in the pooper I did a thing:


Whenever I edit something from the stage, I seem to break it, though. The searchlights still work, but the background doesn't spontaneously break and the Metal Gear (well I only tested with Ray but I assume Rex and the Geckos all function similarly) spawns in the middle and just stays there. Not sure if I'm gonna continue working on this or not, but if I do, I'm probably gonna have to remove all the extra doo-dads like the searchlight and stuff.

that looks really nice cant wait

I... just...

Awesome work!

This could finally be something to replace Shadow Moses. ^-^
Haven't touched that stage's files.

it's too good a stage for me to remove as well. still will be too, unless a rip from twin snakes is made available as a stage (same effects and everything).

Excellent SMI mod...

BTW EVERYBODY needs to update because the tristripper is a reality, meaning stage lag will be a thing of the past.

On that topic, Big Shell was updated. http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=33346 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=33346)

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2uyiro0.png)

Hello everyone, first post here.  I'm Llama Juice.

I started my first stage.  Trying to build a new environment from scratch, working on a Golden Sun map.

Picture that's a few days old, but shows some reference images of the game that I'm replicating.
(http://i.imgur.com/X2a9q5U.png)

Current state of the stage.
(http://i.imgur.com/jBOENh6.png)

I'm trying to create the skybox based off of the original game's overworld geography as well.

I like what I see so far in your first post LlamaJuice.

Can you do me a favor and make a version of this stage so that the center area has both doors open that you can exit and enter so that there are no perma walls? It can function kinda like the tent in Hyrule Castle 64.

As for the background, I wouldn't worry too much about accuracy. I would just go the Castle Siege route and put mountains, forest, and a lake in the background with a skydome. It will be less taxing facepoint wise and won't lag nearly as much.

I looked at Castle Siege and then looked at the overworld map for Golden Sun and realized that I'm basically going to be doing a Castle Siege style skybox. I thought it'd be interesting to have that lake, forest, and mountain be accurate to the game's geography though.

I also was going back and forth about opening those walls up, as I didn't want it to turn into something like stock Spear Pillar where you end up with a chasing game running laps around the center platform.

What exactly causes lag?  Mainly high polycounts?  What sort of polycount do you usually shoot for on these stages?  I went and looked through a bunch of the stages with BrawlBox and saw stages ranging from 25K triangles all the way up to 100K triangles.  I was planning on aiming for about 40K-50K

I see... guess I underestimated the size of the main platform.

Stage lag is mainly caused by too much draw calls caused by a large # of facepoints. Most stages made before Christmas of 2013 lag because they were imported and made with a not optimal importer that inflated the facepoint count. Now we have a more optimal importer in the new Brawlbox so this is no longer an issue with stages anymore.

I would look at the NumFacepoints/Number of facepoints as a total instead of triangle count as facepoint count is a better gauge of how many draw calls the stage makes. I would aim for a Max of 40,000 Facepoints.

I'm new to the whole Brawl modding scene... what is a "facepoint" and how do I measure them?

The width of the platform is about as wide as Battlefield's main platform.  I might open up those doors after some playtesting and seeing what feels better for the stage.  That's been a common thought throughout making this thing.

As this is my first custom stage for the game, I still don't have a fantastic idea of what is a good scale of things yet.

I see.... well Brawlbox's new revision gives you the facepoint count of a model when you choose it.  

Facepoints are.... well it's hard to explain since it appears the definition isn't all that well expressed. I think that facepoints are the average of the vertices of the polygon/model.

If you're using Maya, check the Edges count as that's closest to the value Facepoints would be at.

please finish it d_d

i am LOVING what i see atm... i LOVE the golden sun series!!

I worked on UVs and started making textures for a few of the scenery objects.  At first I wasn't a fan of the purple/green color pallet, but now it's starting to grow on me.  I'm planning on redoing my purple brick texture with some green brick patterns throughout it as well to spruce things up a bit.  Not sure exactly what I'll do with it yet, but it'll be there.  Also, I'm fairly certain that I'm going to be knocking down the wall and making a tunnel through the center.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZQ4VoxF.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/48c7YbT.png)

idk where you've come from all of a sudden, but you're epic.
i don't even know the stage and im in love with it...

I come from the land of Halo 1 modding.  That game is stupid hard to model for.  Smash is easy (in comparison).  If you're interested, here's the last project I worked on.
CMT's The Silent Cartographer: Evolved - Pool Encounter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml8Uf4fIrtA#ws)
I did all of the organic environment art in that scene.  That project was a collab between 20 or so people.  It's still in development, but I stepped away after working on it for a year to be able to pursue other projects.  This one is what's grabbing me right now.

The idea is to make something pretty enough to get a job out of.  I know I can do it, I just need to push it hard.  If brawl's engine doesn't allow me to push the art as far as I want it to go then I can always port it to a different engine after the fact.

Anyone else interested in seeing if we can make the prettiest stage that the Brawl community has made?  That's my goal.  Lets see if we can get there.  (I say we because I'll no doubt need some help with learning the Brawl engine.  I got the basics of model importing and assigning textures to it, but that's about all I know so far.  I don't know anything about shaders and the like.)

glad to see more progress from ya Llama! so far it looks good, and also noticed u still have plenty of faces to use for other area's that might need it if its not smooth enough.

I'm at roughly 33K triangles right now.  (Ignore the tricount in the images, they're wrong.  There's stuff out of frame that isn't being counted)  Originally I was planning on trying to keep it under 50K when i didn't know what my limits were.  I've been trying to cut corners and optimize meshes wherever I can, so right now I feel that I'm getting a lot more out of my polycount than what you'd expect of 33K.  I still do plan on adding a lot of decorative pieces to flesh it out more.  With this pass I just needed to put a dent in the objects that still needed textures. 

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To do list:
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I'm sure there's a bunch of other stuff that I'm missing from this list at the moment, but it's a good idea to have a list of what to work on so that I know where to go next and have a measurable way to say what I've completed and what I still have yet to do.

For environmental texture resources, battlefield, castle siege, and a lot of the SSE stages have some nice stuff already in the game's art style. The stage looks amazing, and I wish you luck on it.

Maybe even have the lighthouse activated, using the Smash Ball's model, or maybe a modified subspace bomb blast model?

I know there are a lot of textures already created and exist within the game's stages, but I want to go through the full process of what to do with a stage and build my own texture repository.  Plus, since a lot of the remaining textures are background assets I should be fine with making some really quick and dirty low resolution stuff that'd work fine for a background asset.

I've been kicking around ideas of having the lighthouse activated, and what that would do to the gameplay.  In the game when the lighthouse gets activated it splits the building into four pieces.  I've considered trying to replicate that effect/animation but right now that's all after I'm done with the things on my list.  Again, it'd be custom made art to try to fit the art style of Golden Sun while still looking good in Brawl.

Haven't played Golden Sun, but that map is super sexy. Glad to have you here., Llama.

This.

Looks awesome so far! I'm glad to see there is someone else making stages as ambitious as mine and with the same attention to detail. :D

Haha thanks @Peardian, I recently went through this entire thread to see what else people have done, try to learn the community a bit.  You're the Bowser's Keep guy, right?  Your comments mean a lot with a stage like that under your belt :P  Thanks bro

Wish I have 3DS Max right now...

FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUuuuuuu...! :oshi:

Agreed i really can't wait to see the final product of this stage it won't disappoint

After reading your comment i saw your vault out of curiosity i'm thoroughly impressed
For both of you two:

I believe you can get it for free if you're a student and use it for "educational" purposes

I didn't get to work on it at all Monday night, so today is just a small update.

I worked on creating textures for the "center fight path" and for the stairs.  I wanted to make a path that ran along the ground where the players are actually fighting to help separate that part of the stage from the non-playable bits.

(http://i.imgur.com/B5wMKhO.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/2Vy7tHt.png)

Creating that Golden Sun: Lost Age logo took way too long. (and yes I know that mine is damaged differently than the original one, I don't care hahaha)

The texturing looks great so far! Only thing I'd bring up about it is the line along the center where the mirrored tile texture meets up, but I'm sure you already know about it.

Also, judging by the references, it looks like there are suppposed to be one of those pyramid blocks at the top of the staircases. Are you leaving them out on purpose, or is that an oversight?

Right now that center line is mirrored, but I'm planning on just re-UVing that platform after I do my last mirror task so that I don't run into that mirrored effect at all.  Right now it doesn't make sense to fix that as my workflow has me just re-mirror the platform whenever I want to take a picture to show you guys.

Also, the pyramid that's at the top of the stairs is stupid, so I didn't want it there.  I'm pulling reference from a few of the lighthouses in the game, (The main shape of this lighthouse is actually the Jupiter lighthouse from Golden Sun 2, but I'm using the Venus lighthouse color scheme and world placement and themes....)  It's not a perfect copy of any one lighthouse, and so that lets me kinda pick reference from any of them and add additional stuff to it that makes it more visually interesting.

Thanks again everyone for the super positive feedback, you guys rock.

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Added trim around nearly everything, added a few small decorative touches.  Made the carpets droop off the sides of the platform, as I couldn't figure out any other way to make them look decent.
(http://i.imgur.com/uqmqpey.png)
The only textures remaining in the foreground currently are the door/door frame and the hole between the statue ladies.  I'm pretty excited.
(http://i.imgur.com/DXB9g5o.png)
My first attempt at making the carpet.  I made it have circle endcaps to it with the idea that it'd make them get closer to my ledges.  Eventually I decided on having them droop off the sides instead.
(http://i.imgur.com/8VihvUZ.png)

t-t-t-t-riple post.

(http://i.imgur.com/xBusCit.jpg)

I'm not sure if I like it.

I want to break up the MOUNTAIN OF PURPLE... and so I made a bunch of bricks, made them green (not sure if I even have the right green yet) and placed them throughout the stage.  I think I like it, but I'm unsure haha.  Feedback?

I think the green does break it up nicely, but I think it needs to be more organic? Rather than the bricks just being green, I think it would look cool if they were green due to them being, like, grimy or dirty. Maybe have the purple ones look a little worn, too.

That's what is weird about using a green and purple color scheme.  When something is green, it's because it's just green hahaha.  I do feel that my placement of the green bricks should feel more structured though, that they're placed where they are on purpose, rather than just placed there to break things up.

Last night I was playing around with the engine again, trying to figure out how to get the stage to be playable in game. 

Super Smash Bros Project M custom stage: Golden Sun Lighthouse (WIP Test 1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk26SCdclPs#)

A problem that i'm running into with the game is that when I complete a match the game crashes.  If I revert my collision back to Final Destination Collision then it's fine and I don't understand why.

Is this a common problem?  Is there a "rookie mistake" with collision issues that cause crashing problems commonly?

Either way, this is probably my last update for a week or so.  I'm going to Florida with the girlfriend for a week starting today.  Probably won't be working on my stage at all while on my trip.

Nice so far! The green contrasts with the purple a bit too much to be used as a subtle detail. I'd use darker/lighter purple instead. Also, maybe you could use green for a dovetail on the corners?

looking great, the FD background even gives it a spooky feel xD

anyway i kind of agree with peardian on the purple-green thing, it seems like a bit too much of a contrast...

i'd suggest a less saturated or darker tone of purple instead of green

make sure there's a swimmable version, even if it does have CPU problems

question... y would u use the old version as a base when the newer 1 is about that same scale size as the melee version and looks more better than the old version? ._.

the giants were fine in the version i have, so just use those o.o

More than an older version, it's more like a parallel version. After all, it's not just the colorless glitchy version it was once, but an improved version made from the old one. Of course it doesn't have as many features as the new one, cause the step from old to parallel was made in one day. But still, it's decent. Be sure you're updating the water model with the one in the 'competitive' version of Great Bay posted not long ago in the vault, I made a fix in that one that's noticeable when you get a Smash Ball, but it's not present in the original stage yet.

For the textures for the giants, maybe you're using a wrong texture type or something. Looks like it's loading the wrong texture, so the name may be wrong or the texture may be missing. Also, they look too dark, be sure they're using the proper lighting node.

Now, what I came here for, new stage preview:

[SSBB hack] - Windmill Hut (Ocarina of Time) [First preview] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JreOQUYAW0A#ws)

looks pretty cool, i think i might get a bit dizzy if i'd play it for too long though xD

Fun stage! When do you think you'll release this... Circus-ish stage :D

Looking forward to this. Can't wait to fill it up with music from RPGs. Oh yes.

Will you be making a bigger version for vBrawl?

Brilliant, but dizzying!

I love it, but a few things I would do with it:
1) Add the music-man. He's gotta be there.
2) Maybe create a custom song for the stage where the song starts of standard speed, then speeds up, and when it speeds up, it starts raining in the stage and spinning faster. (and if you add the music-man, show him turn angry)
3) I notice they bounced off the ceiling, but they can be knocked through the wall. If they can be knocked through either, they should be able to knocked through both. Obviously you need some way to be taken out of the stage, but it should be consistent.
4) Slow down the spinning, this stage will give people the dizzies.
5) Are the side platforms land-able when you spin past them? If not and if that's possible, do it.

I had not thought about a speeding-up version, but it may be interesting to do. About the rest of things:

- The music man will be there. I stated my wish of getting him in there in the video descryption in youtube.
- The current collisions are just WIP. My plan, at least for one version, is that the only way to die is being thrown into the gap in the wall, which is only there twice for each spin, once on each side. I'd probably make another version with no ceiling and no walls.
- I'll probably slow down the spinning, I'll test carefully to see at what point it's slow enough to not give people the dizzies. I may make a non-moving version for those who still get too dizzy anyway.
- The idea with the platforms is that they're land-able for a second, just when they're there. That's still to be made.

My suggestion for the windmill hut, although it didnt do this in the original game, would be to have the windmill spin at a moderate spped. Then, maybe every minute or more, or even less, have it stop to where the two side platforms are on screen and can be stood and fought on. This would give the stage some versatility and make it fun too. Also, while the stage is spinning, there could be no way to die, giving players a chance to accumulate damage. Then, when the spinning stops again, players can be killed from either the entrace to Dampe's grave, and you could even throw your own twist on the age by adding another doorway on the otherside where players can be killed. I don't know how you feel about this idea, or how difficult it would be to implement. I know nothing about stage hacking, just a suggestion  :)

I like it. I don't want to add a new doorway though, but the idea of stopping and having different ways to play during the match is interesting. I'll try that as an alternate version ;)

By the way, I've just released my Prime Cup stage. I've included a version with 2 platforms, but both platformed and regular versions are walkoff stages.

[Project M 3.0] - Mewtwo2000 (Mewtwo) Vs Tase (ROB) [Prime Cup Hall] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spy9C0sqAws#ws)

That's really cool. If possible, is there anyway you could make a non-walk-off version? And how's progress coming along on those series of other OoT stages you were working on(gerudo valley, fire temple, dodongo cavern, etc.) if you dont mind me asking?

Yeah, I'll make a non-walkoff version. In fact it was in my plans at first, and the current model even has parts that can be disabled for that, but when I tested it I thought it didn't look very well and discarded it. Now people are asking for a possible non-walkoff version, I'll try it again, I'll add some extra element to make it look a little better and will include the result in the current download folder as soon as I can. Maybe it's done by tomorrow.

The OoT stages are coming along fine, I may make some new video showing any of them one of these days.

Excellent, really big fan of all of your work man, wish I knew how to do the things you do or where to even begin learning lol. Is there anything you can point me to?

Brawlbox is almost everything. If you understand brawlbox and how stages are structured in brawlbox, it's only a matter of knowing what you want to do and getting the models you need from somewhere, either brawl, other wii games, or elsewhere through model imports.

In the tutorials section, I guess there's some info about stages.

Yea, you're insane man.

Would it be possible to have it so that if the player is on the ground along the wall when those pegs come by it kills them?  That'd be an interesting gimick.

Anyhow... HI GUYS

I got home, had a fantastic vacation, jumped back into my project today.

I worked on putting some serious effort into the background of the scene. The blue boxes on the left are placeholder for a small town that's going in there.  I still need to make another small lighthouse that goes behind those blue houses as well.

(http://i.imgur.com/etuL47s.png)

Sky color and such is all placeholder as well.

New assets from today:
Sand Path
Dirt Path
Cliffs along islands into water
"Mountains"
Water
Clouds
BlueTown

looking really good.
not much else to say about it that i haven't already said before...

@_@


ok i love what i just saw.. i need another pair of pants now...

*Akeno likes your post*

Finally... Had time to finish my Eyerock hack.

Stage improved with shadows, custom lighting and star's eye transparency was fixed

Don't link to stages in this thread. It's a WIP stage thread.

Ok, sorry.

Dodongo's Cavern, WIP:

[SSBB hack] - Dodongo's Cavern (First Preview) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWDRYbPk5ws#ws)

You're a machine dude, how quick is the average turnaround for a stage for you?  Your content is always just absurdly impressive that you're able to pump out this much stuff that quickly.

Hey Llama. What else are you a fan of?

I’m not sure how to answer that question.  I chose my Golden Sun project based off of Project M’s requirements for being included into their mod (An IP that exists in Brawl).  Originally I was planning on trying to submit my map to the PMBR and have them throw it into their pack, but now that’s not really a concern.  Now it’s just more of me wanting to create good looking and fun content.  Golden Sun wasn't a game that I had even thought about in years until I looked through the IPs found within brawl and had a nostalgia blast from Golden Sun haha.  I figured it was an IP that was great, but didn't have much love in the game’s community.

Other games that I’m a fan of are games like Banjo Kazooie, Tales of Vesperia, Portal, Kerbal Space Program, Minecraft, Halo, Donkey Kong Country, Super Mario World, Rocket Knight Adventures, Pokemon Snap, Conker’s Bad Fur Day… I’m kinda all over the place.

I haven’t tried to think of what I want to do for my next project after I finish my Golden Sun stage, I just really want to be able to focus on the one stage and not get sidetracked onto other stuff before I complete it.

A Tales of Vesperia stage would be awesome to have at one point.

CPUs might need a little work; Ganondorf died more than he should have if he were level 9.
here's an idea, maybe make the lower jaw of the skull lower every minute or so, for like 10 seconds, and have it raise back up?

Mewtwo, that looks beautiful! I can't wait to play it!

Also, just a little mod I whipped up:


It's not quite finished yet. I need help deciding where to put the death boundaries.
Also, need advice on whether or not to remove the railings from the (no longer existent) side platforms? I can't tell if they still look like they are part of the stage - instead of the background...

well, here's some BB pics of DemonBoys stage - Spirit Tracks

awe yeah, that's the sturff! tristrip the hell out of it, even if it isnt yer stage; something tells me it'll lag under certain conditions. might need alfonzo there too XD

lol dont forget, these r ripped models and textures from the DS game.. so its like very low poly.

total poly's/faces - 5593

VERY VERY LOW POLY!!!

Before resize

after reseize

Aaaaaaaahh!! That stage was in a request thread! If we had it, we would've done it! Did you rip the models yourself?

"Leave it to me!"

Geezus. That overworld needs a lot of texture work.

Took a break from improving vBrawl stages and deciding to try making something new.

I present to you an incredibly early version of Nimbus Land:

This will be a personal recreation of one of the Mario RPG levels because I thought it would be an awesome theme for a level.

As far as finishing it, I think I'm going to shrink the Beanstalks nearest the stage as well as adding another one (with leaf) to the opposite end. Oh and the background will need some major working to make it less dull - thinking clouds and more Beanstalks.

If anyone could explain to me (via PM or whatever) how I could make the leaves dip down when you stand on them (like in Distant Planet), that would be great! =]

The Dipping leaves are done through already premade elements from DP. You need to base your stage on distant planet.

As for the stage, I would recommend having the Nimbus Castle(Sorry I can't remember the exact name of it, but it's the castle that Valetina has taken over when you first arrive) in the background.

I can easily import everything I've done into distant planet, however, I've not yet been able to figure out how to map the bones to a different model (other than the leaves they currently use)...

As for the castle... I think I know somewhere to find a full 3D model of that (relatively low quality), but I doubt I would be able to export it in a format that I can load into brawlbox... I'll have a look :P

:EDIT: Ok well the model I was thinking of is in a custom Garry's Mod stage... and I don't know how to contact the creator to ask permission to use it (nor do I have Garry's Mod or the capability to rip the model from it)...
Ah well, lots of Beanstalks, clouds and (hopefully) spinning mario coins :P

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Update on my stage, it's coming together nicely ^-^


I just need to add some clouds around the Beanstalks in the background (positions of them aren't 100% fixed), then I'm hopefully going to have some gold coins floating around some of the stalks and finally - if I can find/animate them - some paratroopers flying around in the background :P

Oh and I should probably stick a few more leaves in here and there xD

I spent a bunch of time tinkering with BrawlBox, got the full stage ingame, but was having a bunch of problems with transparency shaders and stuff.  So after spending a silly amount of time trying to research how to do it... I gave up.

Then I worked more on background assets.

(http://i.imgur.com/KbHt7x2.png)

Created the small town to the left of the tower
Created simple log bridges to go across the rivers
Added mountains/clouds to the skydome to make the sky more interesting.
Created textures for the doors on the main platform.

i am loving it pal!

Too much going on???


Also, looking good LlamaJuice!

I'm loving it too LlamaJuice... which is why I have to tell you that the stage as is with those poly/edge/tri counts is almost guaranteed to lag in 4 player situations.

I would simplify the background or lower the poly count/fidelity of the surrounding area while still finding a way to make it look good. I would say look at other Brawl stages for how they handle it in unrestricted pause camera in game.

The stage itself is excellent.

Like I said, I would recommend 50K or less.

maybe get rid of one of the main green ones, to make space for the other colors?
idk, it does seem kind of busy, but the "fog" makes it fall far enough in the background for it not to be a problem in a fight...

so yeah, i think it could be better, but it could also be worse, just imagine all those things dancing around... xD

Dancing around you say? Haha! Now I feel the need to animate them all! Neah, just kidding :P

Ok, so I've got rid of most of them and replaced some of the larger green ones and replaced it with blue. Red has stayed put. Yellow has got sparser and more to the outer parts of the level.


Any better? Also, its not this zoomed out ingame, so it the picture actually seems more chaotic... but I wanted to show off the entire stage :P

Once this is down, its clouds and Parakooper time! ^-^

:EDIT: Actually... I dunno where I'd put the clouds now... xD

Thanks sir!  I've been pretty conservative with my polycount, trying to keep everything pretty low poly while still looking good.  All of the mountains put together are only 5,000 triangles for example.  I could squeeze it down to 50K probably, right now I think everything in the stage put together is close to 65K, but I can trim it up a bit and get it down to 50K.  Most of those mountains don’t have any faces showing on the backsides, for example, and each town is a total of around 150 triangles.  I was told that with the new tristripping magic that we’re able to have up to 80,000 triangles, and when I was looked through the stages included with Project M3.0 I saw that Skyloft was able to run fairly well with 100,000 triangles.

I plan on making the mountains and such look reflective off of the water as well, and so that’ll be another chunk of polys that I’ll have to go through haha.

@Syvkal, looks good buddy.  I like it better without as many beanstalks going up.  The color variation is also really nice.  The one thing that kinda stands out is the green/blue stalks in the top right corner are the same mesh and very close together, so it looks strange to have identical curve in the stalk that close together.

Thanks for the input! =]
Hmm, I'll have to check the green/blue stalk in-game. It does look odd in that screenshot... However, the blue one is far away in the background and much bigger... I'll see what I can do :P

:EDIT:
Ah, well the problem is worse than you thought:
But you can't really notice the yellow one being the same in game... the blue one is a bit more hassle, not sure what to replace it with =/

Can you just mirror it instead?  I'd try to mirror that object and rotate it a bit, it'd solve your problem :P

Can you mirror objects in brawlbox? If so, good plan, if not... I'm useless at using modelling programs xD

yes you can mirror, set the X scale value to -1 in the animation.
it does need it's own bone though obviously.

Took me a while to figure out how to stop the texture from being inside out >.< Stupid material cull :P

Anywho, finally got a design I'm pretty happy with, here's the full stage:
Only thing I'm undecided on is that far back right blue stalk... but w/e :P

Here's a shot more 'in-game' instead of zoomed out:

Leaves on all the background plants will come soonish, then paratroopers and finally - if I can figure out how to texture it  - I'll import some gold mario coins to spin around while floating next to the Beanstalks ^-^

Oh and the clouds... and maybe some leaves that bend when you stand on them :P

Looks nice! If the polygon count ends up getting too high, I'm sure you'll be able to shed a ton of polygons by rendering and flattening the mountains. Just look at how Shadow Moses Island does it, for example.

That looks really impressive i can't wait to see the final design :D
Anyway this is just a suggestion but if you wanted to make the sky look more interesting you could have used the skydome from battlefield as its already animated and would hopefully save some time in the long run assuming it wouldn't give any problems transferring it over

I'm loving this one as well keep up the good work!
It makes me so happy that there's more than a handful of stage makers again

@Chuy Thanks :)

I looked at the Battlefield background as some form of inspiration when thinking of what I wanted to do for my background, but I was tired of seeing so many stages with reused backgrounds (how many stages use the waterfall or crevice background from SSE?)

This made me want to create something somewhat high quality that would be unique to my stage.

also, I'm glad that the stage scene seems to be picking up (I have an extremely short frame of reference).  There was a solid page or so of just me posting updates haha.  It's nice to have other people's work to look at too :)

Thanks =] However, I hardly count as a stage maker, all of my creations are pretty much just edits of existing stages or an arrangement of imported objects from other stages. But if someone likes them, then I guess it doesn't matter :P

You sir just gained more respect in my book for that statement for being original as i do agree there are alot of unoriginal bg swaps in the vault however i didn't think that battlefield`s background had become popular to swap which is why i recommended it to using it.
Granted though i haven't gotten to good a look at brawlvault in a long time.

Take it as you will but the stage has great potential in it and i really do look forward to the final product

(http://i.imgur.com/EYlcvOa.png)

Made red "Babi Lighthouse", redid the side towers, recolored the floating circle platforms, Optimized everything, redid all of the mountains, Optimized everything some more.

I also added/moved some clouds.

I'm currently at 49,880 triangles.  Just for you Eternal Yoshi.

this looks amazing, can't wait til it's finished

idk how it'll look in-game if you use some sort of fog, but the red house stands a bit too much out to me...

nothing like a bit of fog cant fix :p

Played a lot with the engine today trying to figure stuff out.

I for the life of me can't figure out transparencies, animated textures, or an easy way to do lighting/fog that doesn't involve launching brawl each time to see my changes so that makes things a bit ugly at the moment. #Noob


Also, I started playing with trying to figure out how I'm going to light the lighthouse and introduce this stage's gimmick.... haven't split the mesh apart yet, but I did this instead.

Preview video of my mockup of the animation in Maya.

Also, realized that I'm the only person who doesn't spoiler tag all of my images.  I'll stop being rude now.

@jjookkeekkiidd, I'm not too sure about the red yet either.  It's easy enough to fix though that I'm not too worried about it just yet.  I wanted to go for a color similar to what's in the game's overworld map.  I assumed the fog would fix it as well.  I'm just bad with fog/lighting in this engine though right now haha.

Here's the overworld from Golden Sun for comparison.

Hmm...

First off in order to do transparency, you need the texture to be transparent (as in a checkered background in photoshop/gimp, not a black background) and to save it as a .png.

When you get it in there, you need to make the format either CMPR or RGBA8(For semi transparency)

Also for materials that have textures you want transparent, you need to edit the highlighted part of the material that the clouds/whatever you want transparent use.
(http://i.imgur.com/ydSygtW.png)

Also right click the Mdl0 block and make a new Shader for the transparent parts to use. Here's an example of a Shader ready for transparency usage.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/bwv1862u8nn1do6/ShaderTrans (http://www.mediafire.com/download/bwv1862u8nn1do6/ShaderTrans)

Don't worry about the name; just use the newest Brawlbox to replace the new shader you made with this.

Lastly, make sure that your transparent materials are using the Shader by checking this setting:

(http://i.imgur.com/tZpxgLf.png)

looks nice so far, but i did tell ya that i'd help ya on the stage :p

So if u beed help, then im here to do it for ya!

tristrip the hell out of it and you've got my download

@DSX8 - Yessir! I plan on handing things to you after I struggle for a while.  I want to learn the engine so that I can be self sufficient. Plus its fun to struggle some times and its been interesting to learn.  I plan on trying to put together a Maya stage guide for noobs when i finish this project.  Basically every wall that i hit and couldn't find answers to online should be documented somewhere.

Theres another problem that im having right now where when someone gets hit by the sweet spot of an attack and there is that bright flash on screen it causes all of my UVs to get distorted for a frame or two.  It was strange because i played four matches against my roommates and none of them even noticed it, but it was glaringly obvious to me.

@Eternal Yoshi, thanks for the writeup.  I'll give that a shot.  I need to make both semi transparent objects (clouds) and also hard masked items (tres).  What do I need to do differently between these two, or can I just use the same shader that you provided?

For Semi transparent objects, you have to make the first number 100 instead of 128, and you need to set the option EnableBlend(It's below the green box) to true in the material.

There's a slightly different Material that you have to use as well.

sure thing, i can wait for it!

I've started my second stage import but I'm unsure how i would get the lighting to resemble the original version from Defiance. I heard that vertex painting might help in some aspects but as for the main lighting I'm lacking some direction as of where to go from here.
Original:
My progress:

That looks pretty damn beautiful Kiro! And if you manage to get the lighting working O.o

Here's my current project:

Nice! :D

A few notes here:

PNG is fine, but it kills the color information in the fully transparent pixels. Well, at least for me, not sure if it happens in all cases. Anyway, there's cases in which those invisible pixels are transparent black pixels, and they're visible in-game because of the blur used in the materials. If you import a TGA texture with an alpha channel instead, you can have fully transparent pixels with colors other than black, which makes the borders look better.

CMPR only has hard transparency (pixels are visible or not visible, not middle terms). RGBA8 is the best for semitransparency, but the image files in this format are too big. Sometimes the quality doesn't need to be that good and RGB5A3 is another option for semitransparency. RGB5A3 can also be used for hard transparency materials in case CMPR compresses too much the textures and look bad. And there's also the CI8, but materials need to know that there's a palette in this case.

About the shader, there's no real need to use a new shader specifically for the transparent materials. If the light properties are the same, transparent and not transparent materials can share the same shader. If the one generated by brawlbox automatically doesn't work, disable the alpha in the first color channel in the material:

(http://i.imgur.com/JNgidV4.png)

You may need different shaders if you're using materials that use lighting together with materials that don't use it. For example, you may be interested on having a sky that's not affected by lighting. That could use a different shader that doesn't have the 'RasterColor' in its stages, and whose ColorScale is smaller. Depending on the vertex colors you're using if any, you'd need MultiplyBy2 or MultiplyBy1 instead of the standard MultiplyBy4. The MultiplyBy4 comes because the lighting in stages have small color values (something like 120,120,120 overall), and that color is multiplied by the color in the stage model, usually (128,128,128). This means that you get something like an overall (60,60,60) in the model. To look fine, the model should have values around white (255,255,255), that's why the shader gets that (60,60,60) and multiplies it by 4, so the model in this case would get colors around (240,240,240).

If you make the material not to use the stage lighting, you'll have that (128,128,128) alone. The shader in this case needs to multiply only by 2, to get an exact (255,255,255).

Also, if instead of a standard (128,128,128) you're using vertex colors, and your brightest color is white (255,255,255), then your shader doesn't need to multiply by anything, so your shader should have the MultiplyBy1.

(http://i.imgur.com/eb23h51.png)

So, in short, you don't really need different shaders for different transparency options, materials can share the same shader. It's when you combine lighting-affected with lighting-unaffected models that you may need different shaders.

The better option for stages is vertex-coloring, so you don't need a complex and specific lighting set to obtain nice colors. You can emulate the casting of shadows and other stuff that the brawl lighting will never do. If you vertex-paint your model, use a shader for that. If you're using parts without coloring, you can either paint them white and keep the same shader, or paint them grey and use a MultiplyBy2 shader. For materials affected by lighting, you'll need (128,128,128) as the vertex colors and the MultiplyBy4 shader. You can also have vertex colors plus stage lighting, but you have to remember that stage lighting will darken those vertex colors and you'll probably still need the MultiplyBy4 one.

You're insane dude, I appreciate it.

I was having limited success with Yoshi's writeup (Stuff kinda worked, but... i eventually just went through a bunch of brawl stages, looked at all the shaders/materials used in similar situations that I'd need and tried to replicate them.
It's not perfect, but it gets the job done for now. (Example of not perfect, the clouds don't dim with the lighting changes in my stage)

Anyhow, I played with the lighting a lot today.  I wanted to try to figure out how I could make a day/night cycle in the game and I think I came pretty close.  I was running into a wall of errors when trying to add animated fog to the mix, where it seems like the fog item would just constantly get corrupted.  Set a value in a fog item... have it work.  make any tweak at all and it'll just show solid black across the whole stage aside from the characters.  Was not cool.

In the process, I got tired of going through the flows of injecting my maps into a virtual SD card to use in Dolphin... so I made a macro using AutoHotKey that lets me click one button to go from saving in brawlbox to loading my map in about three seconds.  It's pretty glorious, expecially for stuff like this, where I can't see my changes until I launch the game.

I'm too happy with myself to spoiler this one.  You'll all just have to suffer.
Venus Lighthouse (Golden Sun) custom stage for Super Smash Bros. WIP 02 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=excChfj0gfE#ws)

I still have to do player shadows, the effect of the tower splitting apart, and if the day/night cycle thing is working... I might try to push the effect further.  (Add lights to the town at night, make the small pyramids on my tower into some sort of lanterns or something that'd light up at night) not too sure yet.

Has anyone else done a day/night cycle?  I'm guessing someone has, but I just hadn't ever seen one in brawl that animates as the stage progresses.  (That being said, my knowledge of the contents of the Brawl Vault is pretty limited.)

I feel there's too many clouds in the background, but that's just my opinion.

Holy crap that stage looks beautiful, especially in-game!
I wasn't sure how the actual stage layout would affect gameplay, but it looks like it really flows well - kind of like a more manageable version of Peach's Castle :P

Well, I have one, but it's not in the vault yet:

[Project M] - Gerudo Valley: Red Team Vs Peach (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTe2_b9Q-hg#ws)

I got another, it's not a day-night cycle, but it's also a stage with changing lighting. This one can be found in the vault:

[SSBB hack] - All SM64 Bowser stages (smaller, tilting and looped) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq3sD0JVZXE#ws)

Thank you M22K, for a superior look into this and for offering better help.

Llama. That looks [censored]ing beautiful.

I gotta play Golden Sun, but I want to finish up Tales of Vesperia first.

Thanks for all the love everyone :P

@Chaos_Knight: I agree, I intend on animating them to slowly pan to the left, loop it with the day/night cycle to have the clouds only really thick during the bright blue part of the day.  Thanks for the feedback sir!

Mewtwo2000, how did you accomplish that day-night transition in Geurdo Valley?  I'm assuming your job of it is more clean than mine.

I have my one scn0 that has a 10,000 frame animation that loops.  Every 2,000 frames hitting the next main point of the day cycle.  (Morning, noon, evening, dusk, midnight.)

Also, in my stage there's a weird issue where when someone gets hit with a smash attack at high percentages it kills all of my UVs for a frame or two, does anyone know why this would be happening?  It's been happening before I got any of the transparency or lighting or anything to work too, so I don't think it was something I broke in a shader.

You can see it happening at the 2:25 point in my video when Samus dsmashes me and again at 2:30 when I fsmash her.  All of the meshes I imported do that at the same time, players aren't effected.  Does anyone have any idea as to why this might happen?

Very cool so far! And yes, from what I understand, the latest versions of BrawlBox have a habit of corrupting the Lighting/Fog if you edit them. This is why the lighting in Bowser's Keep isn't as perfect as I'd like it to be. I'm looking forward to seeing the stage split!

Are there older versions of BrawlBox that are more stable with lighting/fog?  Or is there some other tool I could use?

Llama do not read me wrong here: I think your stage looks absolutely beautiful.

But I think it looks small. When you see Mario and Samus on it like that, they seem like giants. Compare them to the staircases and the statues in the back... and consider in game when the characters walk around it.

If you could upsize it just a little it would look better, I think.

It wouldn't be the only stage in which the fighters are larger-than-life in the stage's world. A short character like Ness would barely be able to fit into the door on the roof of the building in Fourside, Fox wouldn't be able to fit inside the Arwings that fly around Corneria, and Luigi would barely be able to squeeze his way up the stairs in Luigi's Mansion. What matters is that the proportions of the stage are good for playing on.

That said, I do think the stage looks a bit small. My main concern comes from watching Samus and Mario struggle on the small side ledges. It looks like they can barely fit on it together, so I can't imagine what having Bowser in the fray would do. Of course, upscaling it would also mean increasing the vertical distance between the ledges. A battle could still work with a ledge that narrow, so I'd prioritize keeping the jumps reasonable when scaling it up.

My Gerudo Valley uses a light that moves from right to left during day, changes color when in sunset, and goes dark blue on night, while moving back from left to right. The sky uses different textures, they change with clr0 animations that modify the transparency.

The UV issue is something I've only seen with BrawlBox 0.71. The standard shader is wrong for some reason, because all the TextureRef things in the shader are false. The first one (TextureRef0) needs to be true.


You can only use Brawlbox for this. The newer versions should be the more stable ones, but I recall having used older versions combined with the newer ones for specific things, like changing the number of frames or things like that.

I'll try changing that and see if that helps.  Thanks man.

Yesterday I wanted to learn how to do stage animations, collision animations, texture animations, and water.


So now the stage has a (very WIP) animation of the stage splitting apart and the ball rising up and "spinning" (The texture on the ball is animated, I didn't want to make the ball actually spin because it creates a weird effect along the left and right visible edges of the ball)  I also tried to create water for the stage, borrowing heavily from the Rayquaza lake water, and tried to add in "reflections" to the water.

Yesterday was a lot of engine related learning, and a lot of "How the heck do I split this thing apart and still make it look good?"  I think I did alright at that part :P

when the stage splits, you should make the camera shake, as if there is a earthquake, and i say camera, because shaking the stage itself could maybe give weird stuff... xD

also, maybe you could make the stage assymetric when it's split up, like one side being higher than the other, or slightly tilted...

That's a good idea... how do I make the camera shake?

i'll play with offsetting the tower's parts.  I hadn't even thought of that (Yay for working on this past 3 AM for five days in a row!).

Also, how do I trigger sound effects?  I need to have some sort of SFX when that animation is playing.

I don't know if that's possible with stage (I'd say no... But I'm not a stage modder, so not sure...)

SFX with stages aren't possible yet.

That makes me sad.

There isn't any hacky workaround?  Could I force spawn a hatched pokemon or something?  Hide it inside the stage, only care about it's sounds?  Or have we not found any way to trigger any sounds at all in a stage?

Any sounnds at all... Unfortunately...

If the animations are on a loop, make a custom soundtrack for the stage with the effects incorporated into it? If they're not... No idea sorry =/

Thing is, people would need to not pause for it to loop properly.

Fourside was a Melee stage, they weren't as detailed and accurate, but most of the Brawl stages are. It doesn't even need to be much  bigger, just a little, imo.

Yup. See: The Summit and the song labeled Ice Climber.

Ah yeah good point... forgot about that XD

what seggy said.. adding sfx to stages isnt possible for now

tis a shame, too. imagine a Great Mighty Poo stage with him singing on cue

no... just no :srs:

but back on topic.. i do love what i see so far Llama! seems like u might not need my help after all :p

Haha I always was intending on sending you the files.  I always assumed I'd hit a wall that I couldn't pass and I'd have to call in backup, but I've been able to churn along pretty well thanks to the mass of knowledge in the search box and the answers you fine folk have given me in this thread.

Plus, it's been really comforting to know that at any point I could just pass off the stage to someone who knows what they're doing and have it turn out well.

That being said... Shaders still confuse the hell out of me.  I've pretty much been just going into other stages and finding something that looks like what I want, then pulling their shader/material and applying it to my mesh.  I can't find any good descriptions of what the items in a shader do, or what to change to make something look a certain way.  How do I make a shader appear emissive?  Stuff like this I can't find any information on in the forums.  If someone has information about shader creation I'd be very interested in seeing it.

I was thinking that it would be handy to either have a big writeup saying how shaders work, or have a folder of premade shaders where you could have a metal(Shiny) shader and a cloud(Transparent) shader and a water(animated) shader all just setup ready to import into a stage.

Or, how do I get a texture (like a giant light beam) to be semi transparent, and look neat from any angle?

The other thing that's been confusing me is how do I get multiple CHR0 animations to play, or how do I queue up a string of them to play?  Right now I'm only seeing one able to play at a time it seems, so I end up just making a 6,000 frame animation that should loop

sadly u cant get multiple chr0's to play.. i also have a folder with alot of materials and shaders for stages.

How do I do camera shake tied to an animation?
Here's my stage with the current animations going on that I've come up with so far.  I think it works pretty well for the stage.


I've been trying to make the shader for the green ball look good and I think I'm finally happy with it.

The one big shader issue that I'm running into is that the beam that comes out will look like garbage in front of water
I can't figure that out.

hmmyes... i am enjoying this progress

This has happened to me before. I believe that's to do with the order in brawlbox...
Try putting them in a ModelData[ # ] with a higher index than the water model. Should fix the problem as far as I know.

Or it could simply be coincidence that this solution worked for me... xD

its not really a shader issue, its more of like a material issue


go to the beam material and u want to change EnableDepthUpdate to True instead of False (Located in Z Mode)

if it is set to true, then its the water material (which i have no clue wat its set as)

Working on a new stage here:

It's going to be over one of the Pokemon Stadiums, but I'm not sure what 3DS games to use as stage transformations. So far I've picked Dillon's Rolling Western and Pushmo but still need two other notable 3DS games to include. Any suggestions?

Maybe HarmoKnight and Mighty Switch Force?

please have one of them be megaman 2.

That looks pretty good

How about Megaman Legends 3 Mario vs Donkey Kong?

and here is my first stage. all thats left is to get a good camera system going cuz right now its odd


I may add a few more spaceish pokemon or something

NES game = / = 3DS game

i know. why not have a bit of VC representation in there?

I had to move it to the same ModelData as the water.  I had all of my animated bits in ModelData[1] before because somewhere I read that I can only have animated collisions in ModelData[1].  Moving this down to the same ModelData as my water plane solved the issue.  I had tried moving my water plane up to the same ModelData as the beam earlier and that didn't solve the issue, so I'm clueless as to why moving it managed to solve the problem.  I don't care, it works now.

@DSX8, I had tried your suggestion, and had tried toggling almost every option that I could find in the materials for both the beam and the water, nothing was working.  On the upside, I now understand a lot more about how those materials work from tweaking them so much, and now my beam looks better because of it haha.

@SonicBrawler: Nice basic stage.  It's simple but effective and pretty.  Keep it up man.

@Angelglory: I would put a bit of time into UVmapping that 3DS properly.  Right now the stretched textures on the sides of everything makes my head hurt.  Other than that, I'd be interested in seeing some Mutant Mudds or SteamWorld Dig love in that stage.

Why not adding Deoxys? The Space pokemon could fit well in this stage... Just suggesting though...

This is why this community really needs to have some kind of material/shader documentation project. A handful of people methodically and thoroughly messing with shader parameters like this could create a comprehensive guide on understanding and using them, which is something that a lot of hackers could really use.

Also, nice job on the stage so far!

Haha, told you it should work xD No idea why it works though, I'm guessing something to do with transparency and the priority that it loads the models. But I could be wrong :P

I believe someone used this "glitch" as a feature in a stage. Portals open up around the stage and you can see a second model behind the normal one. I think one model was a desert and the other was the same location but in the past, covered in grass and trees. Was pretty cool!

There is documentation, right here:
http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=39649 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=39649)

Although is not something easy to read.

78% of the words mentioned  aren't even words I haven't learned yet,

I was going to link to that as it was rather helpful, but yea... really not easy to read at all.

I'm not at the point of being able to really teach someone how to make a material or shader, so I wouldn't feel confident in being able to put a guide together or anything like that just yet.  I'm sure Mewtwo2000 or DSX8 would be able to do so though :P

Also, was trying to animate my camera when the stage splits apart, loaded up the map and this happened.

BustedLighting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAnRzx9Q8ok#ws)

I was just surprised at how well it matched the music.

Now I'm trying to create waves that crash into the shores.  Painting waves is strange.  I don't know where to begin with a lot of it.

ill be honest with ya here... animating a camera doesnt work in brawl (i even imported scn0's from other wii games that has animated camera's and they dont work at all)

and since u added frames to the scn0, ur scn0 lighting got all messed up

So is there any way to do something like Bridge of Eldin where the thing spawns in the middle and stretches the camera there while the bridge is being repaired?  Or do I just not have any control over camera stuff at all?

@Dr: I'm glad that exists at least, but they key word I mentioned is "comprehensive". Not even I would be able to use that for anything, and I know most of those terms.

Smashville may be a good starting point. They may be cartoony waves, but they could give you ideas.

I based my waves off of the work I did in a previous game.  Was able to setup the shader/materials pretty easy for this one. (I'm getting the hang of this thing)

QuickWaterDemo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raUehgNPwIo#ws)

I wanted the waves to be subtle, but enough to just break up the massive water plane out there.

I think next is the clouds, and possibly adding smoke coming out of the chimneys in the houses in the background.... and then I might be done?... feels weird to almost be done.  I don't know if I like it.

all the shaking is controlled via .rel file.. so yeah, u dont have any control over that.. the best chance to shake would be to make the whole stage shake, and man talk about alot of keyframes for that lol :/

have some in-game pics of the spirit tracks stage... coloring on the castle is fixed tho.. just ignore the blue shade to it xD

please add alfonzo in there...

if you can find a model of him.. then i shall!

quick someone rip from windwaker

spirit tracks*

wind waker seems like a better option...
it would only need a retexture anyway...

That Spirit Tracks stage is looking purty good so far.

More on the 3DS stage here, I finished the main focus of the Pushmo transformation save for animating it. Avert your eyes if stretched textures make you heave, I haven't fixed them on the 3DS itself yet

Does that size seem alright for the stage in general or should I tweak it some more?

I like the design, but I feel like the stage elements should pop out of the top screen to emphasize the 3D aspect rather than just being "there." Would be cool to see, like, Mallo at the top or something, but that's asking for a bit much.

nice... i likes it. if only tiki tong had a model; i would kill for his hands to be platforms while he watches in the background

Ok so a few updates:
I decided to scrap that broken Summit stage, I didn't want to faff with the shaders and whatever else I needed to change to make the stage blend together better. The ice and rocks just contrasted too much =/

Here's a request I picked up yesterday that I've been working on:
It's 'technically' finished (as in I'm uploading it to the Vault shortly - :edit: Here it is (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=36200)), but I'm posting it on the work shop because in my eyes it's unfinished. If anyone wants to pick this up and tweak lighting/shaders/colours to make them all look more professional feel free ^-^ But when you don't know what you're doing, it's incredibly tedious doing trial and error in the hopes of getting it right xD

Oh also, I'm working on something hopefully awesome. If I have any success, I'll upload some screenshots to here probably by tomorrow =]

So many distractions... I need to finish my Nimbus/BeanValley stage at some point >.<

beautiful

Thanks :)
Forgot to mention, the only other issue is that I had to use Suicune's attack animation, as I couldn't find a 'Wait' animation... =/
If anyone knows where I could find one, I would appreciate that =]

Oh and I updated my last post with the link, just in case anyone does decide they want to spruce up the lighting/shader stuff :D

:EDIT:

Also I have a quick question. If you load a stage and in-game it's completely pitch black, what does that mean?
I believe it's something to do with having the wrong .rel files, but is there something specific within my stage .pac I can change to make it work?
I'm trying to use a non standard stage .rel file, so I don't have any stages I can use as a base to go with it =/

So I started on working with stage modeling, started around 4 days ago and already got my first stage pretty much done, but I'm pretty horrid with lighting.

Dreamland
It's really upsetting me because I have all of the transparency/specular maps and textures done but cant figure out scenedata/materials/shaders for the life of me.

I was having a similar issue on my transparent objects.

To fix it I went into the tree's material and made sure these settings were set like this.

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Post Merge: February 27, 2014, 07:55:47 PM

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I've only seen that when my fog gets corrupted in the SCN0.  Delete the fog and recreate it or import a different SCN0 overtop your current one.

hi all, NOOB here, So i am having some trouble importing certainstage textures, for example in FOURSIDE I tried to use a different texture for the moon, but when playing the game a sort of blurry square is where the moon should be, I get the same problem on the donkey kong stage trying to import a different image over DK. So far I have made sure the .png images im using are the same diameters as the ones im replacing. and I have indexed the images to 255.  should i not be indexing them? or am i doing something else wrong? thanks in advance :)

make the images be 256, not 255

Oooooooo!  Yes you do!  I want to see that!

So I've been working on a program that can rip models directly from a game via the renderer rather than the files, so far it's got some bugs but it's working pretty amazingly otherwise!

Punchout 1st circut arena: http://i.imgur.com/rscpnzS.png (http://i.imgur.com/rscpnzS.png)

Pinata Park from Mario Sunshine: http://i.imgur.com/cGDWe5v.png (http://i.imgur.com/cGDWe5v.png)

is the audience animated somehow?


i take it the fight will be on some kind of coaster platform?

I'm gonna make the audience bob up and down and I plan to have the fight either be on the rocking ships or infront of the fountain

i like what i see with that boxing ring stage :v

Wow
such potential
very hype

I can't get lighting right for the life of me >_< Help anyone?

http://i.imgur.com/FLUoo3i.png (http://i.imgur.com/FLUoo3i.png) <-what I've got so far

I basically just cant get directional light or texture transparency right, if I could I'd have a lot more stuff finished :S

ill be glad to help with the transparency.. and probably with the lighting

Thanks!

I can help too. Let me know if you need it.

Yes please ^_^; Right now I mainly need shaders that work for transparency/shine for stages and characters, and I still have almost no idea how lighting works?

Me can help too :3

In case it can help you, I gave some info on shaders and materials to llama juice in previous pages of this thread. Maybe you can figure out things with that, after all he did.

Edit:

The post is this one: http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=56553.msg1222465#msg1222465 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=56553.msg1222465#msg1222465)

Started work on this beauty yesterday morning.
Kinda having trouble with that Harry Potter effect on the rocks.
Also, I need to scale this down. WAY down.

Where did you get the model? Can you PM me the source? I have an idea for a stage I want to make for Sora.

I would like to know where you got that model as well. BrawlVault is in dire need of some good Kingdom Hearts Stages.

re-texture of final destination 64 wip. spooky island from the scooby doo movie.

the floor and some of the sides are not done

(http://i.imgur.com/z3RXCQi.png)

Hello everyone. So, I'm currently working on my first "proper" stage import for the first time in my 3 years of Brawl modding.

If I could throw money through the screen, I would.

(https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10174807_306501452840600_4654470772954779056_n.png)

how should look like

Close enough... Just need to remove a few things...

alfia sure did a hard work modeling that stage (its from MMD :v)
but the probleme is the fence transparency, the stages light and the collisions D:
the fence grab part transports the character to somewhere in the outer space DD:
(yes, I do many things at the same time)

i made that stage before but i stopped because i could not find a good place to fight on but good job soo far

I think fighting on the roof would be nice.

(http://i.imgur.com/iExiIwa.png)


I'm having way too much fun.

Loving what i'm seeing can't wait for the final results :)

Also i was debating updating my guide to stages (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=13377.0) as i know it's outdated as hell and really needs to be updated though since i was away for so long i don't know what i should add/modify as i know alot has changed.
Any suggestions? Sorry if this in the wrong place but i do know alot of stage gurus frequent here

we need a captain falcon with a big smiling head as one of the racers

I want
an explain
about collisions and lightings

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=45344.0 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=45344.0)
Not sure about lightings, but there is surely a tutorial about collisions.

Mewtwo did make one about lighting. It is truly simple, helpful, and makes a huge difference in a stage.

Can you give me a link to it, please? I need to fix lightings in one of my stages...

Reviving this place with some teasers I've shown in my thread.

Early preview

(http://i.imgur.com/nlUiyvR.jpg)

Some improvement

(http://i.imgur.com/81HdYI4.jpg)

Current version

(http://i.imgur.com/gYikrfa.jpg)

http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=21475.msg401953#msg401953 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/index.php?topic=21475.msg401953#msg401953)

Here ya go, I learned custom lighting by this tutoria as well. Now, give me wine for my assistance.


I'm ready to import my first imported stage, just gathering som resources and a dit mor knowledge.

enjoy u little [censored]s... started some animations for the subway stage

(http://i.imgur.com/CVDKPqi.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/c5rDdyb.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/3V7jyZa.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/q1qAVi5.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/7ChN436.png)

where do i click "like"?

hah.. u can hit "like"... with this video!!

Glad Mortal Kombat gets some love. MK9 was so damn good.

. That's cool

Slowly, but surely working on this:
(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/475835OSGK002.png) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=475835OSGK002.png)

(http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/897095OSGK003.png) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=897095OSGK003.png)

So, I'm currently working on a balanced version of Hanenbow. It's already turning out to be one of the more unique stages I've played on. Here's what I've got so far (that big, ugly stage builder block in the middle is a placeholder):

(http://i.imgur.com/Sy6je75.png?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/Wfi1rLU.png?1)


As you can see, all of the leaves still work normally and there are leaves on the edges of the stage. This means you can actually move the ledge slightly by attacking it. This opens the door for fresh, new forms of edgeguarding tactics.

However, I'm new at this, so I've ran into a bit of a wall. I have a few questions I hope you guys can answer.

1. How do I make simple 2-D models with transparencies? I want to replace the block in the middle and I also want to replace the "stem" of the flower (to get rid of the "stems" on the right side of the stage).

2. The leaves on the ledge are now solid and no longer fall-through. Is there a way I can change the leaves so that players can better differentiate between the ones on the main stage and those on the ledge? The best I could do was change the textures to what is shown on the images above, but I don't think that will be enough

3. Does anyone know how to edit the hitboxes of those leaves? I know Superguzzi did it in his Hanenbow+ stage, but I have no idea where to even look for that data.


Pretty much any advice on this stage would be hugely appreciated (especially ideas on what to replace that big block with)


Also, masamune, how did you get the lava on your stage to not rise and fall?

YES YES YES I love this.

1. You can grab one from this stage of mine: http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=12744 (http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=12744)

I used it for the cars in the background and Start line. If you're only going to use one, this is the perfect one for you. Just be sure to import the texture in RGB5A3.

2. Giving the leaf an entirely new color altogether would be best, but if making it too different bothers you, maybe change the color of the white line inside it to something else?

3. Check inside the STPM of Superguzzi's version, and compare it to yours. Should be enough to find the differences you need to find.

Thanks for the help! I still have a couple more questions if you don't mind.

I decided to go with a "flower pot" theme. Here's what the stage looks like now:
(http://i.imgur.com/5cmNr1N.png?1)


(http://i.imgur.com/ypuQq7E.png?1)

Now, on to my progress/questions

1. The 3 stems in the original stage were all the same object, so I decided to make them invisible (changing the cull mode to "cull all") and replace the main stem with one of the 2d models you gave me. Currently, I'm using 2 (one for the flower pot and one for the replacement stem). I may have to use 2-4 more (for aesthetics and all), would that cause any problems?

2. For some reason, I couldn't get the bubbles to behave properly with the new models I added, so I replaced them with a transparent texture (they kept going in front of the models, but behind the characters/leaves). Is there an easy fix for this? Or should I just leave it as is? (Less going on in the background is good right?)

3. The leaves are actually a white and transparent gradient texture. The colors are filled in by the stage (probably through the rel file), so I can't really edit them. Any other way to make the leaves stand out more?

Overall though, I think this is turning out pretty well! If anyone has any aesthetic suggestions, let me know. I want to make this stage as professional looking as possible when I eventually release it.

1.There shouldn't be any problem, but sometimes they may look weird when they overlap. Just avoid getting them to overlap in relation to the camera, and it should be fine.

2. If there is a fix to the weird overlapping, only Mewtwo2000 knows how. But can't you move the bubbles model a bit further into the background? They should only appear in the front of the 2D vase/stem model if the actual bubble model is in the front of it. I can't know for sure because I never messed with Hanenbow.

3. Mess around with the texture a bit, try adding a mask layer in Photoshop and adding some low opacity black to what is white. Check it in game to see what it ends up looking like. Try different things until you get a nice result.

I never really liked Hanenbow, but it was because it was really terrible for even fun fighting. However, I always liked the whole song and hit-to-move concept it has. Having it like this will definitely have me start using Hanenbow again.